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Post by hammers1man on Mar 1, 2020 16:31:09 GMT
You can still have ball tavel distance on as well as shot feedback off if you want. Ooh ok! That would defo make me more likely to stick with feedback off. How do I do that? A further issue will be when I try to do partial shots. And I've been trying the 95%er a lot now, are you proud of me?!  Yes the partial shots, my only drawback as I play alot of them. Doesn't matter in the short game but nice to know in the long game when you hit those 95% and 90% swings. |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 1, 2020 16:34:07 GMT
I am doing it deliberately - and I adjust my aim accordingly. And I am not at all punished less for deviations than straight hitters - I am actually punished more, because the game is designed - and it works this way, that points outside the blue bar miss more than points inside the blue bar. I am consistently playing a pull - though I vary more when compared to some, less than others. So according to you all, I should have a consistent advantage to my game. Where is this advantage? You are not deliberately AND consistently hitting the same swing. The swing line being talked about here is straight at the bottom, straight in the middle, small push at the top. Your lines are all over the place, as you've readily shown us all. You're trying to allow for that push, but the swing line is not consistently using that little exploit. That's my understanding of it, I'm honestly getting a bit bored of explaining my understanding, because I don't actually care THAT much. I realise and accept you don't agree with me, I've explained myself, in some detail, and am happy to leave it there  Ofcourse I am deliberately trying to hit the same shot. I said I was more consistent than what I showed in the video, right? It was just a quick demonstration. My main line is starting on the blue bar, at little over half way it drifts left and always end up outside the blue bar. I too get this line sometimes where it goes a little bit towards center before it drifts back left. And yes, I vary more than booze and Tyler - I have no problem with that. But according to you, I should have a bigger margin of error and an advantage: where is it? I should be peppering the pin much more than I do. Why am I not doing it, since there is so little penalty outside the blue bar? The "line" that is talked about here are quote: "Garbage swings" that deliberately miss outside the bar left or right. I consider that to be my swing lines. And the claim is that there is less penalty for doing so than missing inside the blue bar. This claim is backed up by no evidence and is contrary to the code in the game as stated by HB. I would also like to point out that both Tyler and booze's swing lines in this "testing" that they did was not a straight line at the bottom and then a little push at the top - they start outside the bar at the bottom on the right side - then they drift towards center, and have the line finish almost straightish to the top a little to the right - sometimes inside the blue bar, sometimes a little to the side. Note also that the more they miss out on the end, the more they have previously driftet towards center - so it evens out. It is quite understandable that they are accurate and don't miss much with such lines. |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 1, 2020 17:15:26 GMT
Ooh ok! That would defo make me more likely to stick with feedback off. How do I do that? A further issue will be when I try to do partial shots. And I've been trying the 95%er a lot now, are you proud of me?! Yes the partial shots, my only drawback as I play alot of them. Doesn't matter in the short game but nice to know in the long game when you hit those 95% and 90% swings. Then again you could argue that the shot result tells you if you pulled off the shot. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 18:32:12 GMT
Just to clarify, I don’t use loft on flops in this society, I use a partial swing and hope for the best 👍 I don't use the loft box PERIOD! Gave that up long ago just for ease of use (see what I did there?). Just lends a bit of realism and strategy to play IMO. Onward. Well, in that case I won't call you Sir-Loft-a lot!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:15:16 GMT
You can still have ball tavel distance on as well as shot feedback off if you want. Ooh ok! That would defo make me more likely to stick with feedback off. How do I do that? A further issue will be when I try to do partial shots. And I've been trying the 95%er a lot now, are you proud of me?! Leon, in the menu where you turn feedback off, when you click feedback it gives you 3 choices. On, Distance Only and Off. Just select Distance Only and you are all set. |
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Post by unclevirt on Mar 2, 2020 13:21:38 GMT
I'm gonna partake in this no swing feedback thing later this week and see how it goes. I will definitely be posting videos. I feel like I should know what's going wrong based off of my ball flight because after so many hours you understand what's what.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Mar 4, 2020 11:14:12 GMT
I haven’t had the time to read everything on this so sorry if I’m off piste or covering old ground;
Personally I think it’s ok if your swing is consistently and slightly to the right or left on the follow through. If you are good enough to do it exactly the same time after time then I see that as equal skill to a dead straight swing in the blue.
I agree this method DOES eliminate a certain miss either to the left or the right BUT that’s what all the greats have always done - Tiger used to snap his left leg straight to make sure his hands never overtook his body thus taking the left miss out of play. Colin Montgomerie never missed a shot left in his entire career, Nicklaus the same.
In my eyes, nibbling your swing right or left consistently is no different to eliminating a bad miss in real life, it’s the art of golf
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 4, 2020 11:35:05 GMT
I haven’t had the time to read everything on this so sorry if I’m off piste or covering old ground; Personally I think it’s ok if your swing is consistently and slightly to the right or left on the follow through. If you are good enough to do it exactly the same time after time then I see that as equal skill to a dead straight swing in the blue. I agree this method DOES eliminate a certain miss either to the left or the right BUT that’s what all the greats have always done - Tiger used to snap his left leg straight to make sure his hands never overtook his body thus taking the left miss out of play. Colin Montgomerie never missed a shot left in his entire career, Nicklaus the same. In my eyes, nibbling your swing right or left consistently is no different to eliminating a bad miss in real life, it’s the art of golf . I don’t think a single person has a problem with swinging wherever you want to. The problem is the game was designed with a flaw . What if Tiger used a set of clubs that no matter how far he pushed them they landed in the same spot, do you think the PGA would allow them? That is the point of all this, if you use a push swing you should still have a penalty for miss hits left and right, but for some reason HB gave all pushes the same penalty no matter how far right of your intended swing line it goes. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Mar 4, 2020 21:13:30 GMT
I haven’t had the time to read everything on this so sorry if I’m off piste or covering old ground; Personally I think it’s ok if your swing is consistently and slightly to the right or left on the follow through. If you are good enough to do it exactly the same time after time then I see that as equal skill to a dead straight swing in the blue. I agree this method DOES eliminate a certain miss either to the left or the right BUT that’s what all the greats have always done - Tiger used to snap his left leg straight to make sure his hands never overtook his body thus taking the left miss out of play. Colin Montgomerie never missed a shot left in his entire career, Nicklaus the same. In my eyes, nibbling your swing right or left consistently is no different to eliminating a bad miss in real life, it’s the art of golf . I don’t think a single person has a problem with swinging wherever you want to. The problem is the game was designed with a flaw . What if Tiger used a set of clubs that no matter how far he pushed them they landed in the same spot, do you think the PGA would allow them? That is the point of all this, if you use a push swing you should still have a penalty for miss hits left and right, but for some reason HB gave all pushes the same penalty no matter how far right of your intended swing line it goes. Ahh! I see. Yes that’s a bit shit really as a design flaw, bet the maths players are all over that mistake by HB! It should be relative, the further right the lines goes then the ball should go further right. I wondered how the standard on TCGT euro and Korn ferry had gone up! I can barely make a cut these days haha! Still, I like playing with feel so will just enjoy USE more! Maybe we should have a 3rd USE society that plays on realistic user created layouts (none of that Aztec ruins crap or 7800 yard bollocks!) |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 4, 2020 21:36:35 GMT
. I don’t think a single person has a problem with swinging wherever you want to. The problem is the game was designed with a flaw . What if Tiger used a set of clubs that no matter how far he pushed them they landed in the same spot, do you think the PGA would allow them? That is the point of all this, if you use a push swing you should still have a penalty for miss hits left and right, but for some reason HB gave all pushes the same penalty no matter how far right of your intended swing line it goes. Ahh! I see. Yes that’s a bit shit really as a design flaw, bet the maths players are all over that mistake by HB! It should be relative, the further right the lines goes then the ball should go further right. I wondered how the standard on TCGT euro and Korn ferry had gone up! I can barely make a cut these days haha! Still, I like playing with feel so will just enjoy USE more! Maybe we should have a 3rd USE society that plays on realistic user created layouts (none of that Aztec ruins crap or 7800 yard bollocks!) I would take part in that society. It would probably be low priority to me, but there are definitely a lot of good realistic fictional courses, and I'd rather play them USE style than playing flickers on the big societies... |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 4, 2020 21:59:48 GMT
I haven’t had the time to read everything on this so sorry if I’m off piste or covering old ground; Personally I think it’s ok if your swing is consistently and slightly to the right or left on the follow through. If you are good enough to do it exactly the same time after time then I see that as equal skill to a dead straight swing in the blue. I agree this method DOES eliminate a certain miss either to the left or the right BUT that’s what all the greats have always done - Tiger used to snap his left leg straight to make sure his hands never overtook his body thus taking the left miss out of play. Colin Montgomerie never missed a shot left in his entire career, Nicklaus the same. In my eyes, nibbling your swing right or left consistently is no different to eliminating a bad miss in real life, it’s the art of golf . I don’t think a single person has a problem with swinging wherever you want to. The problem is the game was designed with a flaw . What if Tiger used a set of clubs that no matter how far he pushed them they landed in the same spot, do you think the PGA would allow them? That is the point of all this, if you use a push swing you should still have a penalty for miss hits left and right, but for some reason HB gave all pushes the same penalty no matter how far right of your intended swing line it goes. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. The futher left or right you miss, the more you miss - so what I think you say, is that there is no progressive miss the futher out you miss, and that is true. So your example with Tiger is not spot on - there is no wall where a futher miss would not go futher left or right (until you hit the edge of the circle) - so Tiger in your example would not land in the same spot (unless you swing on the edge of the circle as I demonstrated). So on a push or pull shot, you can and will miss both left and right when you compensate for that push or pull - when you either pull or push too much or too little compared to the compensation you have on your aim. HB decided to tone down the miss on swing plane, and increase it on tempo - and the reason that was given, was that it was much easier to cheat on line compared to tempo. |
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Post by GW_Hope on Mar 4, 2020 23:23:27 GMT
Not here to argue with you. Play how you want to.
Edit: I understand what you are saying. The edge does have some dispersion but the wall exists either way.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Mar 5, 2020 0:05:15 GMT
Ahh! I see. Yes that’s a bit shit really as a design flaw, bet the maths players are all over that mistake by HB! It should be relative, the further right the lines goes then the ball should go further right. I wondered how the standard on TCGT euro and Korn ferry had gone up! I can barely make a cut these days haha! Still, I like playing with feel so will just enjoy USE more! Maybe we should have a 3rd USE society that plays on realistic user created layouts (none of that Aztec ruins crap or 7800 yard bollocks!) I would take part in that society. It would probably be low priority to me, but there are definitely a lot of good realistic fictional courses, and I'd rather play them USE style than playing flickers on the big societies... I’m happy to set up one on PS4 as a group to see if there’s interest, played some really realistic creations recently so itd be a shame if we didn’t play them. Could call it USE Fictional or something like that |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 7, 2020 20:57:40 GMT
I just want to say on this matter that I've tested this method for quite a few hours and can not get any consistency in my results. I can actually hit a good straight swing nowadays pretty consistently but cannot replicate what booze and others are doing. My understanding is that if you hit the same two points from the start of the backswing to the finish of the backswing you will get a consistent result which makes sense to me. There is a lot of integrity in this society and what this is doing is alienating others which I was guilty of from the start. There is a lot of distrust in the TGCTours forums but this is not TGCTours it has never been about winning but playing this game as realistically as possible. Yes some don't hit it straight here but I don't believe they are gaming the swing to make it easier one bit, this paranoia that everyone is cheating is bad for this game and bad for this society. Play your and game enjoy the sim part of it (without super fast forward if you can ) relax and enjoy the scenery in a great sim golf game |
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Post by ray on Mar 11, 2020 23:54:24 GMT
Same. I don’t want to lose anyone we have. I think we all play with the right intent. I can’t see anyone at home being upset about their place on our leaderboard, the joy is in the golf not the result. I enjoy others playing well almost as much as when I do - that was never the case at TGCT.
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