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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 9:36:36 GMT
Based on what I’ve seen, I agree with Booze’s assessment. I’m over talking about it though, so I’ll leave you guys to it. I think the fact I score as bad as I do in spite of my straight lines makes me ok, so it’s not a ‘me’ problem unless it becomes a bigger issue within the society and people get angsty. we should probably move to more important matters....like stoney’s comment about hearing John call a fade for his ghost opponent lol. That has really stuck with me This hasn't been talked about in public, as we felt like it was sorted between the people involved, but maybe actually everyone does need to know, just so everyone is aware we do tackle such things. The person has been contacted, a discussion was had, a conclusion was reached. Me, Paul, stoney and the person in question are all satisfied with the judgment  problem over |
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Post by booze on Mar 1, 2020 9:40:48 GMT
So once again, just to clarify, and make sure this debate doesn't go the wrong way, NOBODY is saying anyone here has been deliberately exploitng anything. I personally also agree with booze, and it's clear Anders isn't going to, but booze is saying SOME people are able to use this knowledge to their advantage, that doesn't mean that OTHER people who occasionally replicate this type of swing are gaining a significant advantage or need to be policed. Yep, that sums it up! |
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Post by booze on Mar 1, 2020 9:42:35 GMT
we should probably move to more important matters....like stoney’s comment about hearing John call a fade for his ghost opponent lol. That has really stuck with me This hasn't been talked about in public, as we felt like it was sorted between the people involved, but maybe actually everyone does need to know, just so everyone is aware we do tackle such things. The person has been contacted, a discussion was had, a conclusion was reached. Me, Paul, stoney and the person in question are all satisfied with the judgment problem over Nice! I meant that half as a joke, but nice to see it was taken care of 👍🏻 |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 9:44:37 GMT
This hasn't been talked about in public, as we felt like it was sorted between the people involved, but maybe actually everyone does need to know, just so everyone is aware we do tackle such things. The person has been contacted, a discussion was had, a conclusion was reached. Me, Paul, stoney and the person in question are all satisfied with the judgment problem over Nice! I meant that half as a joke, but nice to see it was taken care of 👍🏻 Haha, ok, no worries My reply was just because I want the community to have confidence in us admin that we deal with that stuff. It was all a very civil and friendly conversation, further evidence what a great community we have |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 1, 2020 14:51:40 GMT
How can a deliberately bad swing be an exploit!? How on earth do you think to control a bad swing? The best guys that shows this is perhaps unclevirt and z3nz . And you will see a very consistent swing with very little zig-zag. Z3enz even has his normal shot inside the blue bar all the way. How is that an exploit? Isn't that skill? To have the same swing over and over again with the same result. If you swing deliberately very bad - you are subject to luck. And that my friend - is not a way to be good. I know what I talk about - because I can have quite large differences in my swing line, and it is not good for me. I am happy with all shots within 15 feet of the pin. The usual big misses are with tempo - but still I miss greens with my swing line - even though I compensate for it. If this was to be such an advantage that is claimed over at TGC tours - I should dart every pin. A deliberately bad swing, which in this case means outside the cone, is an exploit when you know you can be a little off and still be on target. I think you might be missing this point. There is a very clear difference between shooting straight and missing some vs deliberately playing a push (or pull) swing line and missing your swing. You are punished much less. This was proven in testing as well as my own experience. Aside from what I did here, I also replayed my first pga round today just messing around with my same bs swing, and improved by 4 shots to go -13 on the very first try. I’m not lying. No warmup. I even screwed some shots up with tempo as I have no prior experience swinging off line like this. That’s just ridiculous. The game isn’t meant to be played like this with garbage swings. By no means am I even close to being one of the top players in this game either. Tyler Duke made a video as well going -15 through 15 at Augusta doing a similar shit swing that I was doing. This really isn’t any different than flicking as it’s an advantage for accuracy. I’ll continue to play on as I like it here, if I’m coming off as attacking I really don’t mean to. But I really do think people should be trying to swing “in the cone” with all the evidence that’s come out. Just my opinion. Doyley has been talking about possibly doing an API thing for this, so it’s a pretty big deal. It’s not just unfounded speculation. It really is an exploit. There’s no way it could be a rule here and I’d never expect it to, way too many variables where even I go offline. Happens to everyone. I just think people should honestly be intending to shoot straight is all. I do not find you or anyone else attacking or anything like it. This is a friendly discussion on a topic that we disagree on; nothing wrong with that. Everyone can't swing in the blue bar - I am one of those. Perhaps it's my controller, perhaps it is me. I don't care. The game is made so that it is more beneficial to be inside the blue bar than outside. The penalty from the code is more outside than in. That you and others seem to not agree with the developer that knows the code is in my opinion based on misunderstanding on how the game works. Why do I say this? Because on both you and Tyler's video, you start your swing in towards center before it drifts off to the right. Both of you have very consistent swings with very little deviation. You may think it looks crappy because you get a line in and then out, and you may think you vary the swing more than you actually do - because the line isn't straight. I see nothing wrong with either when it comes to results on the ball flight, and it is how the game was made and is intended to work from the developer (HB). You can't say that HB didn't mean for this to be the intended result as long as they actually say it is the way it is supposed to work and they are totaly happy with it. You may disagree With HB on how they made the game - argue with them, but there is no exploit in playing the game the way it was designed and intended to work. I have said it before, and I say it again - I don't actually care since I don't play on TGC tours - but I find it both amusing and alarming that the admins over there actually think of disqualify players for missing too much. I understand that robotic straight lines are monitored and punished, but this - with the total lack of evidence (I see you claim there is evidence, but there isn't) is not good at all. Also, I see that one of the most prominent on this topic also don't understand what HB says on the flick-swing. So there seem to me to be misunderstanding also when it comes to the flick swing in TGC 1 and 2. |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 1, 2020 15:20:59 GMT
So once again, just to clarify, and make sure this debate doesn't go the wrong way, NOBODY is saying anyone here has been deliberately exploitng anything. I personally also agree with booze, and it's clear Anders isn't going to, but booze is saying SOME people are able to use this knowledge to their advantage, that doesn't mean that OTHER people who occasionally replicate this type of swing are gaining a significant advantage or need to be policed. So Leon, if it so advantageous to hit outside the blue bar, why do I have 60-65% fairways and GIR? Note that I am pretty consistent regarding tempo and have perhaps a shot or two pr. round with bad tempo. I do vary my shots regarding swing line a bit, but not that much. And, I can also ask you of the evidence on this matter; have you taken a close look at it and also considered the average points on the swing line all the way from bottom to top? |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 15:54:22 GMT
So once again, just to clarify, and make sure this debate doesn't go the wrong way, NOBODY is saying anyone here has been deliberately exploitng anything. I personally also agree with booze, and it's clear Anders isn't going to, but booze is saying SOME people are able to use this knowledge to their advantage, that doesn't mean that OTHER people who occasionally replicate this type of swing are gaining a significant advantage or need to be policed. So Leon, if it so advantageous to hit outside the blue bar, why do I have 60-65% fairways and GIR? Note that I am pretty consistent regarding tempo and have perhaps a shot or two pr. round with bad tempo. I do vary my shots regarding swing line a bit, but not that much. And, I can also ask you of the evidence on this matter; have you taken a close look at it and also considered the average points on the swing line all the way from bottom to top? It's NOT advantageous to players like you, who aren't doing it deliberately. I think this is the point you have consistently missed throughout this debate. If you are able to consistently do this swing, you can adjust your aim to allow for the push, and you are punished less for deviations than straight hitters. You freely admit yourself you do not produce a consistent swing, therefore you fall into neither category above, and therefore are not one of the people this evidence is demonstrating having a regular and consistent advantage to their game. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 15:58:01 GMT
Looks like I am going to be the first to say it. If you turn swing feedback off, none of this really matters. Just hit your shots and go by feel, maybe that should be a requirement for everyone's state of mind. Do we really need it on to enjoy this game, or do we need it on full stop? Just tried this on a practice round at druids, it was, er, interesting. Might be coz it was a hard course, but it definitely threw me off. I did kind of like it though. I like to know how far my ball has gone, so I can keep track in my head of my distance management, over many shots. And that IS information that would available (maybe not the exact yard) to golfers IRL. So that's a big issue to me... Like it in principle, undecided at this point... |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 1, 2020 16:02:39 GMT
So Leon, if it so advantageous to hit outside the blue bar, why do I have 60-65% fairways and GIR? Note that I am pretty consistent regarding tempo and have perhaps a shot or two pr. round with bad tempo. I do vary my shots regarding swing line a bit, but not that much. And, I can also ask you of the evidence on this matter; have you taken a close look at it and also considered the average points on the swing line all the way from bottom to top? It's NOT advantageous to players like you, who aren't doing it deliberately. I think this is the point you have consistently missed throughout this debate. If you are able to consistently do this swing, you can adjust your aim to allow for the push, and you are punished less for deviations than straight hitters. You freely admit yourself you do not produce a consistent swing, therefore you fall into neither category above, and therefore are not one of the people this evidence is demonstrating having a regular and consistent advantage to their game. I am doing it deliberately - and I adjust my aim accordingly. And I am not at all punished less for deviations than straight hitters - I am actually punished more, because the game is designed - and it works this way, that points outside the blue bar miss more than points inside the blue bar. I am consistently playing a pull - though I vary more when compared to some, less than others. So according to you all, I should have a consistent advantage to my game. Where is this advantage? |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 1, 2020 16:04:05 GMT
Looks like I am going to be the first to say it. If you turn swing feedback off, none of this really matters. Just hit your shots and go by feel, maybe that should be a requirement for everyone's state of mind. Do we really need it on to enjoy this game, or do we need it on full stop? Just tried this on a practice round at druids, it was, er, interesting. Might be coz it was a hard course, but it definitely threw me off. I did kind of like it though. I like to know how far my ball has gone, so I can keep track in my head of my distance management, over many shots. And that IS information that would available (maybe not the exact yard) to golfers IRL. So that's a big issue to me... Like it in principle, undecided at this point... There is the option to have feedback off, and distance on. I also want to know distances - and this is something you will know in real life. |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 1, 2020 16:19:28 GMT
Looks like I am going to be the first to say it. If you turn swing feedback off, none of this really matters. Just hit your shots and go by feel, maybe that should be a requirement for everyone's state of mind. Do we really need it on to enjoy this game, or do we need it on full stop? Just tried this on a practice round at druids, it was, er, interesting. Might be coz it was a hard course, but it definitely threw me off. I did kind of like it though. I like to know how far my ball has gone, so I can keep track in my head of my distance management, over many shots. And that IS information that would available (maybe not the exact yard) to golfers IRL. So that's a big issue to me... Like it in principle, undecided at this point... You can still have ball tavel distance on as well as shot feedback off if you want. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 16:22:33 GMT
It's NOT advantageous to players like you, who aren't doing it deliberately. I think this is the point you have consistently missed throughout this debate. If you are able to consistently do this swing, you can adjust your aim to allow for the push, and you are punished less for deviations than straight hitters. You freely admit yourself you do not produce a consistent swing, therefore you fall into neither category above, and therefore are not one of the people this evidence is demonstrating having a regular and consistent advantage to their game. I am doing it deliberately - and I adjust my aim accordingly. And I am not at all punished less for deviations than straight hitters - I am actually punished more, because the game is designed - and it works this way, that points outside the blue bar miss more than points inside the blue bar. I am consistently playing a pull - though I vary more when compared to some, less than others. So according to you all, I should have a consistent advantage to my game. Where is this advantage? You are not deliberately AND consistently hitting the same swing. The swing line being talked about here is straight at the bottom, straight in the middle, small push at the top. Your lines are all over the place, as you've readily shown us all. You're trying to allow for that push, but the swing line is not consistently using that little exploit. That's my understanding of it, I'm honestly getting a bit bored of explaining my understanding, because I don't actually care THAT much. I realise and accept you don't agree with me, I've explained myself, in some detail, and am happy to leave it there |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 1, 2020 16:22:54 GMT
Just tried this on a practice round at druids, it was, er, interesting. Might be coz it was a hard course, but it definitely threw me off. I did kind of like it though. I like to know how far my ball has gone, so I can keep track in my head of my distance management, over many shots. And that IS information that would available (maybe not the exact yard) to golfers IRL. So that's a big issue to me... Like it in principle, undecided at this point... There is the option to have feedback off, and distance on. I like you want to know distances - and this is something you will know in real life. Your GPS range finder will tell you your final distance but not your ball carry distance so a bit half and half in realism. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 16:24:18 GMT
Just tried this on a practice round at druids, it was, er, interesting. Might be coz it was a hard course, but it definitely threw me off. I did kind of like it though. I like to know how far my ball has gone, so I can keep track in my head of my distance management, over many shots. And that IS information that would available (maybe not the exact yard) to golfers IRL. So that's a big issue to me... Like it in principle, undecided at this point... You can still have ball tavel distance on as well as shot feedback off if you want. Ooh ok! That would defo make me more likely to stick with feedback off. How do I do that? A further issue will be when I try to do partial shots. And I've been trying the 95%er a lot now, are you proud of me?!  |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 1, 2020 16:26:47 GMT
There is the option to have feedback off, and distance on. I like you want to know distances - and this is something you will know in real life. Your GPS range finder will tell you your final distance but not your ball carry distance so a bit half and half in realism. How accurate are caddie distances? Because you'd know once you get to the green? I realise you can kind of do that in game, but it's more of a graphical thing, the way the maps work and the views you get that mean I can't work out the distances nearly as easily. I see what you mean with your half and half point, but with so many other advantages taken away, I think I just need this one! (The distances, more than the feedback, I mean...) |
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