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Post by andersnm on Oct 31, 2020 14:44:43 GMT
I'll give it a try and practice on the practice green. I really need to practice putting. I'm not sure, but I loose like 8-9 strokes a round at least on bad putting. I just had a go at the practice green, and I agree - the elevated camera is much better. So I will give it a go, full back on the stick and elevated camera. Just putt like you did on TGC2019. Give it a go, you'll be surprised. Can't do that, and you can't either Paul - because the animation is much faster. You may use the same technique (I can't do that, because it is way too fast), but it is much faster. And - there is a problem that the same backswing length do not produce the same result - depending on how far away you are from the hole. That is just stupid. I just had a go at the practice green - and the same backswing length is not the same distance. I really do not like the putting in this game - it is counterintuitive, and even though I do not experience the same glitch with full movement back on the stick, it is annoying and unrealistic to have the same backswing length on a 20 foot putt, and a 50 feet putt - and end up beside the hole. |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 15:05:08 GMT
Just putt like you did on TGC2019. Give it a go, you'll be surprised. Can't do that, and you can't either Paul - because the animation is much faster. You may use the same technique (I can't do that, because it is way too fast), but it is much faster. And - there is a problem that the same backswing length do not produce the same result - depending on how far away you are from the hole. That is just stupid. I just had a go at the practice green - and the same backswing length is not the same distance. I really do not like the putting in this game - it is counterintuitive, and even though I do not experience the same glitch with full movement back on the stick, it is annoying and unrealistic to have the same backswing length on a 20 foot putt, and a 50 feet putt - and end up beside the hole. It is faster for longer putts but not shorter putts. Maybe I don't notice much difference as I have always putted visually by backstroke distance of the avatar. I only feel that it is faster for longer putts but I adjust because it has never been about backstroke timing but backstroke distance for me. Pulling back slowly is just so twitchy for me. The most important thing is a firm forward push and you will always have that when pulling the stick fully backwards. |
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Post by andersnm on Oct 31, 2020 15:38:19 GMT
Can't do that, and you can't either Paul - because the animation is much faster. You may use the same technique (I can't do that, because it is way too fast), but it is much faster. And - there is a problem that the same backswing length do not produce the same result - depending on how far away you are from the hole. That is just stupid. I just had a go at the practice green - and the same backswing length is not the same distance. I really do not like the putting in this game - it is counterintuitive, and even though I do not experience the same glitch with full movement back on the stick, it is annoying and unrealistic to have the same backswing length on a 20 foot putt, and a 50 feet putt - and end up beside the hole. It is faster for longer putts but not shorter putts. Maybe I don't notice much difference as I have always putted visually by backstroke distance of the avatar. I only feel that it is faster for longer putts but I adjust because it has never been about backstroke timing but backstroke distance for me. Pulling back slowly is just so twitchy for me. The most important thing is a firm forward push and you will always have that when pulling the stick fully backwards. Yes, moving firmly forward is the way to go. But after they changed the backswing speed to adjust for distance, a slow backswing is trouble in that the game don't always responds to a forward motion on the stick even if it is firm. And as I now saw, that the same backswing length don't produce the same distance, and that it depends on how far away from the hole you are. I really do not like this. Yes, the animation on long putts are as fast as it was when the game was released - alot faster than TGC 2019. The shorter putts are slower, but still faster than TGC 2019 - much faster. I do not mind the fast animation. I can live with that - but I do not like that the speed varies, and that the needed backswing length is depended on where your aiming marker is. From the putting stats in our society, it seems I am not the only one struggling with the new putting. I thought I had got a good feel for putting, and then they changed the putting again with different speed etc. which totaly messed it up for me. I count in my head on putting in real life also - to help me gauge backswing length. Keep the motion back smooth, and use a combination of counting and looking to get the feel for distance. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 31, 2020 16:07:37 GMT
I think putting is based on length of time the stroke takes rather than how far the clubhead travels in distance, I find having a good rhythm with your putting stroke and a feel of how brisk the tempo needs to be is the way to go, it’s hard for me to put in words because I’ve just always had a good feel with the putting stroke in both games but I’ve definitely had to adapt a bit for the new mechanic but it wasn’t a very conscious adaption
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 16:27:31 GMT
It is faster for longer putts but not shorter putts. Maybe I don't notice much difference as I have always putted visually by backstroke distance of the avatar. I only feel that it is faster for longer putts but I adjust because it has never been about backstroke timing but backstroke distance for me. Pulling back slowly is just so twitchy for me. The most important thing is a firm forward push and you will always have that when pulling the stick fully backwards. Yes, moving firmly forward is the way to go. But after they changed the backswing speed to adjust for distance, a slow backswing is trouble in that the game don't always responds to a forward motion on the stick even if it is firm. And as I now saw, that the same backswing length don't produce the same distance, and that it depends on how far away from the hole you are. I really do not like this. Yes, the animation on long putts are as fast as it was when the game was released - alot faster than TGC 2019. The shorter putts are slower, but still faster than TGC 2019 - much faster. I do not mind the fast animation. I can live with that - but I do not like that the speed varies, and that the needed backswing length is depended on where your aiming marker is. From the putting stats in our society, it seems I am not the only one struggling with the new putting. I thought I had got a good feel for putting, and then they changed the putting again with different speed etc. which totaly messed it up for me. I count in my head on putting in real life also - to help me gauge backswing length. Keep the motion back smooth, and use a combination of counting and looking to get the feel for distance. I really don't notice the varied backstroke speed and that proves that it is all about backstroke distance as my forward stick motion is consistent. |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 16:59:41 GMT
I think putting is based on length of time the stroke takes rather than how far the clubhead travels in distance, I find having a good rhythm with your putting stroke and a feel of how brisk the tempo needs to be is the way to go, it’s hard for me to put in words because I’ve just always had a good feel with the putting stroke in both games but I’ve definitely had to adapt a bit for the new mechanic but it wasn’t a very conscious adaption That doesn't make sense as the backstroke speed changes shot to shot. I just judge all my putts on backstroke distance, I use the same method irl. |
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Post by andersnm on Oct 31, 2020 18:29:14 GMT
I think putting is based on length of time the stroke takes rather than how far the clubhead travels in distance, I find having a good rhythm with your putting stroke and a feel of how brisk the tempo needs to be is the way to go, it’s hard for me to put in words because I’ve just always had a good feel with the putting stroke in both games but I’ve definitely had to adapt a bit for the new mechanic but it wasn’t a very conscious adaption That doesn't make sense as the backstroke speed changes shot to shot. I just judge all my putts on backstroke distance, I use the same method irl. But that is the thing though. You can hit with the same backstroke distance and not get the same result. Without being accurate, the same backstroke distance go different distances on the green related to where the aim marker is. So for instance, a 50 feet and a 30 feet may have the same backstroke distance to get to the hole on a flat green. |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 18:36:06 GMT
That doesn't make sense as the backstroke speed changes shot to shot. I just judge all my putts on backstroke distance, I use the same method irl. But that is the thing though. You can hit with the same backstroke distance and not get the same result. Without being accurate, the same backstroke distance go different distances on the green related to where the aim marker is. So for instance, a 50 feet and a 30 feet may have the same backstroke distance to get to the hole on a flat green. Which doesn't explain why my lag putting is so good. I judge my putts by avatar backswing distance . Anders I am telling you now my putting went from God damn awful to really good in 30 minutes of changing from that awful slow backswing style. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 31, 2020 18:38:16 GMT
That doesn't make sense as the backstroke speed changes shot to shot. I just judge all my putts on backstroke distance, I use the same method irl. But that is the thing though. You can hit with the same backstroke distance and not get the same result. Without being accurate, the same backstroke distance go different distances on the green related to where the aim marker is. So for instance, a 50 feet and a 30 feet may have the same backstroke distance to get to the hole on a flat green. I’ve not experienced this but then maybe I don’t analyse it too much, I’ve always been a feel player in these games which was why I wasn’t competitive in the last game on TGCT where everyone was using maths and crooked swings etc. But my speed on the greens has always been good (I think) and I feel like I hole loads of putts so not sure if there’s an error or not. I’ll be in PC designing soon so will play a few rounds but on PS4 it feels solid |
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Post by wimigbg on Oct 31, 2020 18:49:31 GMT
Wow, that was some debut! The toughest course I ever played, and in that wind and 4 rounds in a day.  I’m going to have nightmares chipping and putting on the 9th, haha. Didn’t feel that it helped knowing the course very well after countless of hours on TV. |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 19:50:05 GMT
My worse 2 putts this week were unintentionally letting go of the back stroke and when attempting slow backswings. Both putts went about 12 inches.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 20:09:22 GMT
Pullback fully learn those distances push firmly forward and you will putt well in this game. When I pulled back slowly all my putts finished hole high from 20 foot and under. Now I hit them 2 to 4 foot past the cup which gives me so much more chance of actually holing putts.
I am posting here because a simple change has transformed my putting, I want everyone to play well here. We are not some ultra competitive society, we should be sharing everything we learn about the game with each other. I want every member to score lower.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 21:16:08 GMT
Ok just got back from a great night out and they end early now with times we are in. Hit the putting green cold for 4 minutes of putting. Notice I didn't have 1 single 3 putt from every distance. Yes these greens are flatter but I expect to hole every putt under 20 foot which wasn't the case when I used the slow backstroke. I don't use any backswing timing it is all from gauging putter head distance on backstroke.
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Post by wimigbg on Oct 31, 2020 21:39:11 GMT
Ok just got back from a great night out and they end early now with times we are in. Hit the putting green cold for 4 minutes of putting. Notice I didn't have 1 single 3 putt from every distance. Yes these greens are flatter but I expect to hole every putt under 20 foot which wasn't the case when I used the slow backstroke. I don't use any backswing timing it is all from gauging putter head distance on backstroke. How do you get that view from behind the hole? (I’m on PC) |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 31, 2020 21:44:35 GMT
Ok just got back from a great night out and they end early now with times we are in. Hit the putting green cold for 4 minutes of putting. Notice I didn't have 1 single 3 putt from every distance. Yes these greens are flatter but I expect to hole every putt under 20 foot which wasn't the case when I used the slow backstroke. I don't use any backswing timing it is all from gauging putter head distance on backstroke. How do you get that view from behind the hole? (I’m on PC) Press Y to get putting camera and click the the left of right stick. If you use mouse our mouse users here will tell you Tuffguts artvandelay |
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I’m going to have nightmares chipping and putting on the 9th, haha. Didn’t feel that it helped knowing the course very well after countless of hours on TV.