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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 21:38:20 GMT
Also a totally under funded NHS is what is saving Britain now, a wake up call to how much we need them. I would be more than happy to pay more to our NHS in the future. Probably the only good thing to come out of this is how important our NHS is to our country and it needs more funds. Agree wholeheartedly! And THAT is where our anger SHOULD be directed. The deliberate and cynical managed decline of the NHS. Money for that won't come from football! It needs to come from proper taxation of the mega rich and corporations. No more using this country as a deregulated tax and financial haven for outside interests! Education, infrastructure and health is where our money should be spent. Not tax breaks for some imaginary "boost to the economy!" Why does it always come to such extreme measures for politician's to see the light. Another reason why I hate and don't trust any or those twats. I don't normally do politics because I extremely dislike politicians. |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 21:54:40 GMT
The difference between China and America is you can criticise Trump, you can't the Chinese government. You will be censored in everything you say or media you produce. There is absolutely no freedom of speech in that country. Thank fuck I don't live there I don't agree there's literally no freedom of speech. Like I said there were whistle blowers, and then loads of people supported them and criticised the govt until they admitted their mistakes. There's definitely censorship there, and it's not as easy to criticise the govt, but it definitely happens. I understand you not wanting to live there, I don't think I would either, but I had this debate over on the other forum and pointed out there are currently 600k immigrants living there at the moment, many from the UK and US. I know a few people who have lived there for at least a year. People seem to like it! There is definitely no freedom of artistic licence. There is so much censorship there it's unreal. 600k immigrants in a population of 1.4 billion is nothing. Can you really criticise Trump and not criticise China and it's awful human rights, censorship and freedom of speech. It was the worlds second largest economy, maybe that's because of it's awful human rights standards. Sorry but there is no defending that countries government. Give me the US anyday |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 22:09:50 GMT
I don't agree there's literally no freedom of speech. Like I said there were whistle blowers, and then loads of people supported them and criticised the govt until they admitted their mistakes. There's definitely censorship there, and it's not as easy to criticise the govt, but it definitely happens. I understand you not wanting to live there, I don't think I would either, but I had this debate over on the other forum and pointed out there are currently 600k immigrants living there at the moment, many from the UK and US. I know a few people who have lived there for at least a year. People seem to like it! There is definitely no freedom of artistic licence. There is so much censorship there it's unreal. 600k immigrants in a population of 1.4 billion is nothing. Can you really criticise Trump and not criticise China and it's awful human rights, censorship and freedom of speech. It was the worlds second largest economy, maybe that's because of it's awful human rights standards. Sorry but there is no defending that countries government. Give me the US anyday I criticise China for LOADS of stuff. Not sure censorship is right up there. Yes to human rights, their suppression of ethnic minorities is disgusting. I don't really know what you mean by "defending?" Like trump isn't ALL of America, like China's govt isn't ALL of China. I say loads of good stuff about America, and I think there is a lot of good about how China does things. My main area where I "defend" China, and I've picked up heat over there for this, as if I "love" China, is way less about actually defending China, and way more about the sheer hypocrisy of some of the criticisms of China. We do loads of the same bad shit China does! Often not as severely and blatantly as China does it, but one example of where America (and us in connection) are WAY worse is in foreign policy. The amount of other countries we meddle in, and have throughout the 20th and 21st centuries is disgusting and unforgivable. So yeah, in my opinion there's plenty of shit to be chucked around. Yes, some of it should be chucked at China. |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:14:19 GMT
There is definitely no freedom of artistic licence. There is so much censorship there it's unreal. 600k immigrants in a population of 1.4 billion is nothing. Can you really criticise Trump and not criticise China and it's awful human rights, censorship and freedom of speech. It was the worlds second largest economy, maybe that's because of it's awful human rights standards. Sorry but there is no defending that countries government. Give me the US anyday I criticise China for LOADS of stuff. Not sure censorship is right up there. Yes to human rights, their suppression of ethnic minorities is disgusting. I don't really know what you mean by "defending?" Like trump isn't ALL of America, like China's govt isn't ALL of China. I say loads of good stuff about America, and I think there is a lot of good about how China does things. My main area where I "defend" China, and I've picked up heat over there for this, as if I "love" China, is way less about actually defending China, and way more about the sheer hypocrisy of some of the criticisms of China. We do loads of the same bad shit China does! Often not as severely and blatantly as China does it, but one example of where America (and us in connection) are WAY worse is in foreign policy. The amount of other countries we meddle in, and have throughout the 20th and 21st centuries is disgusting and unforgivable. So yeah, in my opinion there's plenty of shit to be chucked around. Yes, some of it should be chucked at China. Ok I don't mean China as a whole but it's government, their censorship of video games is should I put it just WRONG. Maybe not so bad because it led to the huge market in PC games lol |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:19:52 GMT
There is definitely no freedom of artistic licence. There is so much censorship there it's unreal. 600k immigrants in a population of 1.4 billion is nothing. Can you really criticise Trump and not criticise China and it's awful human rights, censorship and freedom of speech. It was the worlds second largest economy, maybe that's because of it's awful human rights standards. Sorry but there is no defending that countries government. Give me the US anyday I criticise China for LOADS of stuff. Not sure censorship is right up there. Yes to human rights, their suppression of ethnic minorities is disgusting. I don't really know what you mean by "defending?" Like trump isn't ALL of America, like China's govt isn't ALL of China. I say loads of good stuff about America, and I think there is a lot of good about how China does things. My main area where I "defend" China, and I've picked up heat over there for this, as if I "love" China, is way less about actually defending China, and way more about the sheer hypocrisy of some of the criticisms of China. We do loads of the same bad shit China does! Often not as severely and blatantly as China does it, but one example of where America (and us in connection) are WAY worse is in foreign policy. The amount of other countries we meddle in, and have throughout the 20th and 21st centuries is disgusting and unforgivable. So yeah, in my opinion there's plenty of shit to be chucked around. Yes, some of it should be chucked at China. Push comes to shove we didn't start this virus, the Chinese government knew about the dangers or these wild animal markets, I have pulled up stuff about this from 15 years ago. So now let's wait for a world pandemic before anything is done. China and the WHO do have a lot of blame in this. |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:30:42 GMT
Personally the WHO has the power to stop these wet markets , they don't deserve funding unless they do their JOB....
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 22:31:43 GMT
I criticise China for LOADS of stuff. Not sure censorship is right up there. Yes to human rights, their suppression of ethnic minorities is disgusting. I don't really know what you mean by "defending?" Like trump isn't ALL of America, like China's govt isn't ALL of China. I say loads of good stuff about America, and I think there is a lot of good about how China does things. My main area where I "defend" China, and I've picked up heat over there for this, as if I "love" China, is way less about actually defending China, and way more about the sheer hypocrisy of some of the criticisms of China. We do loads of the same bad shit China does! Often not as severely and blatantly as China does it, but one example of where America (and us in connection) are WAY worse is in foreign policy. The amount of other countries we meddle in, and have throughout the 20th and 21st centuries is disgusting and unforgivable. So yeah, in my opinion there's plenty of shit to be chucked around. Yes, some of it should be chucked at China. Ok I don't mean China as a whole but it's government, their censorship of video games is should I put it just WRONG. Maybe not so bad because it led to the huge market in PC games lol Their thing with movies is hilarious too! (But also really bad...) |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 22:35:07 GMT
I criticise China for LOADS of stuff. Not sure censorship is right up there. Yes to human rights, their suppression of ethnic minorities is disgusting. I don't really know what you mean by "defending?" Like trump isn't ALL of America, like China's govt isn't ALL of China. I say loads of good stuff about America, and I think there is a lot of good about how China does things. My main area where I "defend" China, and I've picked up heat over there for this, as if I "love" China, is way less about actually defending China, and way more about the sheer hypocrisy of some of the criticisms of China. We do loads of the same bad shit China does! Often not as severely and blatantly as China does it, but one example of where America (and us in connection) are WAY worse is in foreign policy. The amount of other countries we meddle in, and have throughout the 20th and 21st centuries is disgusting and unforgivable. So yeah, in my opinion there's plenty of shit to be chucked around. Yes, some of it should be chucked at China. Push comes to shove we didn't start this virus, the Chinese government knew about the dangers or these wild animal markets, I have pulled up stuff about this from 15 years ago. So now let's wait for a world pandemic before anything is done. China and the WHO do have a lot of blame in this. Mate, the WHO has ZERO power in making countries do things. Like literally none. They're responsible for like setting standards and providing help and advice to countries. If your opinion is they should've been more forceful, that's a debate point, I can't remember what they've said in the past. They seem to be pretty strong in saying what "should" happen, to me. But in terms of "making" countries do things, they can not... |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:41:29 GMT
Ok I don't mean China as a whole but it's government, their censorship of video games is should I put it just WRONG. Maybe not so bad because it led to the huge market in PC games lol Their thing with movies is hilarious too! (But also really bad...) I am angry about this Leon because I read up about the dangers about this a long time ago. And now it hits us like nobody knew anything about the dangers. Yes that's our WHO yes that's the Chinese government. Yes our response was slow but the China response and info to the world was appalling and the WHO has been crap tbh. How can you defend them, they could of stopped this as they had info to stop it before it began. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 22:46:46 GMT
Their thing with movies is hilarious too! (But also really bad...) I am angry about this Leon because I read up about the dangers about this a long time ago. And now it hits us like nobody knew anything about the dangers. Yes that's our WHO yes that's the Chinese government. Yes our response was slow but the China response and info to the world was appalling and the WHO has been crap tbh. How can you defend them, they could of stopped this as they had info to stop it before it began. I'm angry about it too, just not getting your angle on the WHO. They have been there since the start, analysing all the figures, making recommendations. And like I said, they can only make recommendations. They can not force any country to do anything. I have read some stuff about there being disagreements amongst them about what information is correct and stuff, but that's true of everywhere. Extremely confusing situation, literally every incident is different. Different states in America with entirely different situations, Wales and Scotland entirely different to England, etc Again, I'm not trying to diminish your anger mate, I feel you. It's just the WHO bit I'm challenging. |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:48:47 GMT
Push comes to shove we didn't start this virus, the Chinese government knew about the dangers or these wild animal markets, I have pulled up stuff about this from 15 years ago. So now let's wait for a world pandemic before anything is done. China and the WHO do have a lot of blame in this. Mate, the WHO has ZERO power in making countries do things. Like literally none. They're responsible for like setting standards and providing help and advice to countries. If your opinion is they should've been more forceful, that's a debate point, I can't remember what they've said in the past. They seem to be pretty strong in saying what "should" happen, to me. But in terms of "making" countries do things, they can not... Leon they knew the dangers, they could of forced the issue to every countrythat funds them . Errm that is their job BTW, why does it always take mass loss of life to prove it. History repeating itself again..... |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 22:49:59 GMT
I am angry about this Leon because I read up about the dangers about this a long time ago. And now it hits us like nobody knew anything about the dangers. Yes that's our WHO yes that's the Chinese government. Yes our response was slow but the China response and info to the world was appalling and the WHO has been crap tbh. How can you defend them, they could of stopped this as they had info to stop it before it began. I'm angry about it too, just not getting your angle on the WHO. They have been there since the start, analysing all the figures, making recommendations. And like I said, they can only make recommendations. They can not force any country to do anything. I have read some stuff about there being disagreements amongst them about what information is correct and stuff, but that's true of everywhere. Extremely confusing situation, literally every incident is different. Different states in America with entirely different situations, Wales and Scotland entirely different to England, etc Again, I'm not trying to diminish your anger mate, I feel you. It's just the WHO bit I'm challenging. |
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Post by hammers1man on Apr 18, 2020 23:00:32 GMT
SARS originated in China in 2002, this is not new stuff. Do younot think it's China's job to stop these deadly animal originated diseases?
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 23:02:33 GMT
I'm angry about it too, just not getting your angle on the WHO. They have been there since the start, analysing all the figures, making recommendations. And like I said, they can only make recommendations. They can not force any country to do anything. I have read some stuff about there being disagreements amongst them about what information is correct and stuff, but that's true of everywhere. Extremely confusing situation, literally every incident is different. Different states in America with entirely different situations, Wales and Scotland entirely different to England, etc Again, I'm not trying to diminish your anger mate, I feel you. It's just the WHO bit I'm challenging. Mate that's just a guy's opinion. Obviously opinion is valid, and you're criticising their "performance" and they should have "forced" China to close the markets. Fair enough, I have to accept that's your opinion. Can I just make my point one more time with the following, and then I'll leave you alone. It's the first part about their powers that I'm pointing you towards, but I've left it all in there for detail and balance, because it mentions some criticism too: * What is it? The WHO is an agency of the United Nations set up in 1948 to improve health globally. It has more than 7,000 people working in 150 country offices, six regional offices and its Geneva headquarters. * What does it do? The WHO’s stated aim is “to promote health, keep the world safe and serve the vulnerable”. It has no power to impose health policies on national governments, but acts as an adviser and offers guidance on best practice in disease prevention and health improvement. It has three main strands of work: - aiming for universal health coverage in every country - preventing and responding to acute emergencies - promoting health and wellbeing for all * What doesn’t it do? Like a lot of international institutions, the WHO suffers from false perceptions about its scope and resources. The WHO is not “the world’s doctor”: it does not provide treatment or conduct disease surveillance - although it does advise national and international authorities on those matters. It has no powers of sanction, and the information it collates and publishes is only as good as the data and expertise it gets from member states and its technical specialists. * Is every country part of it? The WHO has 194 member states: every country except Liechtenstein which is a member of the United Nations but not of its global health agency. They appoint representatives to The World Health Assembly, which convenes annually and sets WHO policies. These policies are implemented by the WHO’s Executive Board, composed of members technically qualified in health. * Who pays for it? The WHO’s member states provide funding via two routes: assessed contributions and voluntary contributions. The WHO’s budgets are biennial, spanning two years. Its 2020-2021 budget is almost $4.85 billion, up 9% from the previous two-year period. Assessed contributions are calculated on the basis of a country’s wealth and population, while voluntary contributions are often targeted by the donor at specific regions or diseases - such as polio, malaria, or infant mortality in poor areas. Philanthropic foundations and multinational groups such as the European Commission are also major donors to the WHO. The United States is the biggest overall donor and had contributed more than $800 million by the end of 2019 for the 2018-2019 biennial funding period. The Gates Foundation is the second largest donor, followed by Britain. * What are seen as its major successes and failures? The WHO is widely credited with leading a 10-year campaign to eradicate smallpox in the 1970s and has also led global efforts to end polio, a battle that is in its final stages. In the past few years, the WHO has also coordinated battles against viral epidemics of Ebola in Congo and Zika in Brazil. In the current COVID-19 disease outbreak, while many have praised the WHO’s leadership, Trump has accused it of being China-centric and giving bad advice about the emerging pandemic. This week, Trump said the WHO had “failed in its basic duty” and announced a temporary halt to U.S. funding - a move that prompted condemnation from many world leaders. In the past, the WHO was accused of overreacting to the 2009-10 H1N1 flu pandemic and also faced widespread criticism for not reacting quickly enough to the vast Ebola outbreak in West Africa in 2014 that killed more than 11,000 people." |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 23:03:03 GMT
SARS originated in China in 2002, this is not new stuff. Do younot think it's China's job to stop these deadly animal originated diseases? Yes, I think it's China's job. |
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