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Post by andersnm on Jul 10, 2020 14:35:04 GMT
Again Anders, you have taken this as some sort of "personal" thing 🙄 I wasn't even talking about whether someone has done a better version of the SAME course, I was saying that there are OTHER, more famous, courses that are filling out the schedule, which are better/nicer than some of the obscure Scandinavian courses you've made. That's not a criticism of those courses, or your ability using the designer! If you honestly believe your 4th favourite scandinavian course is better than like medinah or spyglass or Chicago or something, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think the majority feel that way. I'm aware that you three didn't literally design the courses, but thank for that pointless patronising "point." I thought "designer" was a fairly ubiquitous term for people who "make" courses using the course DESIGNER. Would you like me to use a different term for people who make recreations in the designer? I can't believe someone is actually complaining that I've offered to put two or maybe three of their courses on to the schedule for next season 🙄 If I put 3 in for everyone, that's at least 9 out of 52 courses! Honestly man, petty BS like this makes motivation to do these jobs REALLY low... No - I have not taken this as some sort of "personal" thing. I just don't see the point of your question - and I got this feeling that you wanted to reduce the number of courses in the schedule that "resident designers" have recreated, (and since I have recreated the most, including a couple of famous US - I just had to ask) - which I find stupid. We should use the best version of a course - and if that means 10 courses or more by the same person/designer - it is of no importance. Who recreated a course is not important. If I did it, or Wade, or Paddy, or CLV, Han, or whatever, we use the best version. I don't use the term designer - since I do not design. You are free to use what term you will. It's just that your statement "designers want their courses in the game" - for me refers to fantasy designers (though I know at least one who recreates courses who also have this ridiculus view on number of plays). If you don't want norwegian courses - just say so. Though I think you find it quite fine and good to have one or two. I have recommended a few, not saying that we should have tons of norwegian courses in our schedule. We had two norwegian courses last season, and they are just as obscure as Stoke Park or Mill Ride - and many US courses as well. I completely agree that we should have famous courses - but not only famous courses. A few not so known courses and tournaments are good in our schedule. For me, since the recreation of Le National is not good - I would very much prefer a less known course like one from paddy. We are unfortunate not to have good recreations of french courses. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jul 10, 2020 14:47:23 GMT
For what it’s worth, I can see both your points and I believe the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
I think it’s a good idea to have 25 or so famous courses as the nucleus of the schedule and then introduce courses less known around that.
I agree with Anders on that we shouldn’t play a course if the recreation is rushed or poor, I feel the most enjoyment in this game comes from well created courses with complete environments and due care and attention to playability.
Because we play without aids we can use courses that are 6500 yards, sure the scoring might be lower but I’d happily play Fishers island or Marion East all day long!
Let’s use our community to suggest courses and let’s just endeavour to have a fun and enjoyable schedule with lots of variety and unheard of gems
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 14:48:19 GMT
I'm literally offering to put this guy's courses on the schedule and he's arguing with me and calling me stupid 🙄
I can't be arsed with this BS. I'm out for a bit. I'll come back to the schedule at a later point.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 14:54:01 GMT
For what it’s worth, I can see both your points and I believe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. I think it’s a good idea to have 25 or so famous courses as the nucleus of the schedule and then introduce courses less known around that. I agree with Anders on that we shouldn’t play a course if the recreation is rushed or poor, I feel the most enjoyment in this game comes from well created courses with complete environments and due care and attention to playability. Because we play without aids we can use courses that are 6500 yards, sure the scoring might be lower but I’d happily play Fishers island or Marion East all day long! Let’s use our community to suggest courses and let’s just endeavour to have a fun and enjoyable schedule with lots of variety and unheard of gems I understand what you're saying mate. I wasn't thinking of ANY kind of "reducing" the number, I was OFFERING to put courses in the schedule. A POSITIVE move of letting designers chose some of their courses that they wanted! Ffs 🙄 There's ways and ways of making the point, as you have shown. I can't be bothered dealing with the petty and argumentative way... |
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 14:56:03 GMT
In fact yeah, let someone else do it 👍
You've got the template I created. I'm glad it helped.
Let Anders have his way. He who shouts loudest...
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Post by andersnm on Jul 10, 2020 17:17:15 GMT
I'm literally offering to put this guy's courses on the schedule and he's arguing with me and calling me stupid 🙄 Easy now. I have never called anyone stupid. All I said - is that limiting how many courses we use from one person/designer is stupid. That is not the same as calling you stupid. To give an example from one you regard highly - let's say Han have recreated 5 courses we would like to play in our schedule. All top class, premium famous courses very well made. Then I say it is stupid to say "no, we can only use 2 or 3 of those courses, because it is the same designer". It is no different for those in our society that recreate courses. If it is a course we would like on our schedule, and it is well made - then we should use it. Not counting how many other recreations of that person we have used in our schedule. |
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 10, 2020 20:54:02 GMT
I have to say the fact that there is confrontation here is stupid.
Leon is compiling the schedule atm, what about we throw up ideas for courses and then split the season into 2, European and US. Leon in charge of the US and Anders the European. Leon you can focus on the best US courses and Anders likewise for European.
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Post by andersnm on Jul 10, 2020 23:28:42 GMT
I have to say the fact that there is confrontation here is stupid. Leon is compiling the schedule atm, what about we throw up ideas for courses and then split the season into 2, European and US. Leon in charge of the US and Anders the European. Leon you can focus on the best US courses and Anders likewise for European. There is no confrontation from my side, and I don't know why Leon got angry at me over this. (At least, his responses seems angry when he talks about BS etc). I think we agree on the matter. It would be weird if we couldn't play Augusta because we have used up the designers quota. I responded to his question with my own question, since I was not sure of his intentions - and Leon has stated that he did not intend to limit the number of courses from anyone - and his intention was to add 2-3 courses that paddy, Wade and me have recreated and wanted. For me, the question was odd - and I couldn't see that I could respond to it since I already had recommended what norwegian courses that I thought was best for our schedule (as I thought that it was good to have a norwegian course or two on the schedule), and my versions of Harbour Town and Pebble Beach is most likely to be used. I do not know if I will port over San Antonio - that depends on if the new game have tournament objects in socieities for official courses. Leon has also said he liked Alcanada - and Himmerland is the only danish course in the game (and I am not sure if there is anyone that intends to do other danish courses - I am thinking of doing Scandinavian Old and New). This is how it is since I have done so many courses from many countries. I can't just name 2-3 courses since it is likely that more is used, and I intend to continue to recreate courses in the new game - so that number may increase futher (may be true for paddy and Wade also - since I think they will continue to recreate courses for the new game). |
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Post by jeff on Jul 12, 2020 8:54:35 GMT
In fact yeah, let someone else do it 👍 You've got the template I created. I'm glad it helped. Let Anders have his way. He who shouts loudest... Then I’m shouting really loud about not including Albatros at LGN. It’s a bad recreation. Period. It’s fun to play as a criterion? We have fantasy courses for that, mate. |
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Post by stoneysooner on Jul 13, 2020 2:20:01 GMT
Obscure, but a real course and very nicely done.
Ballyowen TRA
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Post by andersnm on Jul 13, 2020 11:39:48 GMT
Obscure, but a real course and very nicely done. Ballyowen TRA Nice course, on the easier side of things (but don't be fooled, it is still 7200 yards with some chances to get into trouble)  Going to do RCR's stoneysooner? Or just fictional courses? |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 14, 2020 18:28:05 GMT
I’ve never used the designer but could you hide the rocks with plants that looked rough-like? Thanks Ray, I tried putting grass on top and some plants but it wouldn't cover the rocks completely. If it would let me put some rough over the rocks I could make it look nice. I used Anders suggestion just now and this is about the best I can do with the tools we have. You can't see them but there are retaining walls under the rocks all around the bunker. It's probably best I don't go a cave anyway. As quirky as this game is sometimes. Someone would hit a shot in the cave an not be able to get out lol.  Wade, Try using the green bush/hedge in the walls/fences menu - it looks like a well groomed hedge (wall) - that may work for a cover over the rocks (with the hedge protruding a bit) - example of it in use - check out the course currently on TST this week - Royal St George's-Sandwich - the designer used the hedge to create a wall like edge on the deep bunkers. First time I'd seen that technique and thought it was a pretty cool look.. As for porting your published courses to the new game - it 'should' have an option on the designer page like 2019 does - you'll notice on 2019 there is an option to save your TGC2 courses to 2019 - you just click the button and pick the course and it essentially re[pubs on the new game...so, I'd imagine that 2K21 will have a similar feature to port 2019 courses into 2K21.. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 14, 2020 18:33:05 GMT
Resident designers: If you could pick 2 of your courses to be on the schedule, which would they be? I will try to fit 2 on, but can't promise... Mine are not RCR's but I tend to try to make the fictional courses as realistic as I can - like they 'could' exist.. For the ones I've published, I would go with: Mulligan National and Mulligan Quarry National didn't make the cut in the Major Design Contest, but was approved in the TGCTours DB as Tour Worthy - currently at about 2400 plays.. Quarry made the first round cut in the World Cup of Design contest and is also tagged as Tour Worthy (hosted a CC-Am event this season) - currently about 7900 plays.. EDIT: Sorry, I forgot USE was more about playing RCR's rather than fictional - so no worries if you don't use fictional courses for the schedule.. |
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Post by andersnm on Jul 14, 2020 18:43:54 GMT
Resident designers: If you could pick 2 of your courses to be on the schedule, which would they be? I will try to fit 2 on, but can't promise... Mine are not RCR's but I tend to try to make the fictional courses as realistic as I can - like they 'could' exist.. For the ones I've published, I would go with: Mulligan National and Mulligan Quarry National didn't make the cut in the Major Design Contest, but was approved in the TGCTours DB as Tour Worthy - currently at about 2400 plays.. Quarry made the first round cut in the World Cup of Design contest and is also tagged as Tour Worthy (hosted a CC-Am event this season) - currently about 7900 plays.. EDIT: Sorry, I forgot USE was more about playing RCR's rather than fictional - so no worries if you don't use fictional courses for the schedule.. Yes, only real courses in USE With your skills in the designer Jeff, you should do RCR's Edit: Paddy started this USE Fictional society - and I think that is going to come back in the new game. |
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Post by hammers1man on Jul 14, 2020 19:52:00 GMT
Mine are not RCR's but I tend to try to make the fictional courses as realistic as I can - like they 'could' exist.. For the ones I've published, I would go with: Mulligan National and Mulligan Quarry National didn't make the cut in the Major Design Contest, but was approved in the TGCTours DB as Tour Worthy - currently at about 2400 plays.. Quarry made the first round cut in the World Cup of Design contest and is also tagged as Tour Worthy (hosted a CC-Am event this season) - currently about 7900 plays.. EDIT: Sorry, I forgot USE was more about playing RCR's rather than fictional - so no worries if you don't use fictional courses for the schedule.. Yes, only real courses in USE With your skills in the designer Jeff, you should do RCR's Edit: Paddy started this USE Fictional society - and I think that is going to come back in the new game. Yes I'm sure Paddy will be back with USE fictional in the new game and I am sure Jeff's courses will get a run out if he ports them over to the new game. |
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