|
|
Post by andersnm on Jul 6, 2020 20:23:33 GMT
Looking at the US courses: We definitely want to play Austin CC again. Nevermind that I almost won that tournament!  I think we should put in Greenbriar Old White (the same designer that made Bandon Dunes, Crooked Stick etc). The course is named The Old White TPC or just The Greenbrier irl. I am not a fan of the recreation of Bay Hill - so I think we should skip this until a good version is made. As pleasant as it was to play Coeur D'alene - I think we should skip it and keep it to extra's. The course is just not a championship course. Also out for me is Hamilton unless a better version comes along. I am in favor of Cypress Point instead of Spyglass hill (I think they are pretty close in geography?). Pebble Beach is also close by if I remember correctly, and we need to have Pebble on the schedule. I think we ought to have Bethpage Black, Muirfield Village, Cog Hill Dubsdread, Firestone South in there. Also on the keep list: Pinehurst nr 2, Oakmont CC (I much prefer CLV's version), Merion east. Augusta for the masters is given - and RBC Heritage on Harbour Town. From HB official courses - TPC San Antonio, TPC Sawgrass, TPC Boston, East Lake comes to mind. We could also have TPC Deere Run, TPC River Highlands.. Majors: For the US Open: Torrey Pines is hosting this in 2021 in real life, and I think we should also stick with that. I think The Open is to be held on St. Andrews in 2021 - but this was to be the 150th Open - so not sure since 2020 was cancelled. Royal St George's will host the Open next year Okay. We played The Open on St Georges this season - so we may want to discuss if we want to play it there for our next season. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:23:41 GMT
Looking at the US courses: We definitely want to play Austin CC again. Nevermind that I almost won that tournament! I think we should put in Greenbriar Old White (the same designer that made Bandon Dunes, Crooked Stick etc). The course is named The Old White TPC or just The Greenbrier irl. I am not a fan of the recreation of Bay Hill - so I think we should skip this until a good version is made. As pleasant as it was to play Coeur D'alene - I think we should skip it and keep it to extra's. The course is just not a championship course. Also out for me is Hamilton unless a better version comes along. I am in favor of Cypress Point instead of Spyglass hill (I think they are pretty close in geography?). Pebble Beach is also close by if I remember correctly, and we need to have Pebble on the schedule. I think we ought to have Bethpage Black, Muirfield Village, Cog Hill Dubsdread, Firestone South in there. Also on the keep list: Pinehurst nr 2, Oakmont CC (I much prefer CLV's version), Merion east. Augusta for the masters is given - and RBC Heritage on Harbour Town. From HB official courses - TPC San Antonio, TPC Sawgrass, TPC Boston, East Lake comes to mind. We could also have TPC Deere Run, TPC River Highlands.. Majors: For the US Open: Torrey Pines is hosting this in 2021 in real life, and I think we should also stick with that. I think The Open is to be held on St. Andrews in 2021 - but this was to be the 150th Open - so not sure since 2020 was cancelled. Tough decision between Spyglass Hill and Cypress point. Both outstanding courses. Be nice to fit them both in but probably not possible. We could always set up a poll if we have close courses. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 20:25:44 GMT
Hi gents! I’ll be back playing (and designing) once the new game drops, will also let you know when courses are ported over which could be a little while if there are loads of new tools at my disposal to improve the existing designs. If there are any of my courses that you guys really like and want to be prioritised just let me know. Looking forward to catching up with all of you for the new game Welcome back Paddy!! |
|
|
|
Post by paddyjk19 on Jul 6, 2020 20:56:08 GMT
Cheers all! Great to see you’re a designer now Wade! Keep it up pal!
Looking forward to resuming late August and playing some real SIM, apparently the hardest mode on the new game is next to impossible so I’m looking forward to grafting it out against you all!
See you soon
|
|
|
|
Post by LKeet6 on Jul 6, 2020 21:56:12 GMT
Resident designers: If you could pick 2 of your courses to be on the schedule, which would they be? I will try to fit 2 on, but can't promise... I really only have one that would be good for USE and that is Mauna Kea. I am currently working on a PGA Tour course El Camaleon in Mexico. If I can do it justice It would be a great course to have on the schedule. I'm liking this idea of starting next season in Hawaii, so we'll go with that 👍 And if you get another one done, we'll see |
|
|
|
Post by LKeet6 on Jul 6, 2020 21:57:31 GMT
I'm in complete agreement with the above. Except to say I think you're all idiots for not loving spyglass like I do, fantastic course. Of the less Obvious courses, I really liked that alcanada one. I also love Spyglass Hill, one of my favorites. No point in me suggesting Shadow Creek Lidar.......lol I remembered there was one other person who loved it. You have good taste sir 👍 (I'm sure all of us will have at least one course we don't get our way on 😉) |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 22:50:21 GMT
Cheers all! Great to see you’re a designer now Wade! Keep it up pal! Looking forward to resuming late August and playing some real SIM, apparently the hardest mode on the new game is next to impossible so I’m looking forward to grafting it out against you all! See you soon Thanks Paddy! I wouldn't say I'm a designer, maybe a designer wannabe lol!  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 22:23:05 GMT
Here is the opening schedule for the 2020-2021 PGA Schedule. I know we don't want to match the schedule exactly but it will give us something to compare. We could use Whistling Straits by Craig Frey. I will try to have El Camaleon ready. We need Ander's Pebble Beach Golf Links Tour. Austin C.C. The Colonial. There are a lot of Real courses published I guess we can see how many plays and the star ratings are before we add any to the schedule
Safeway Open
Silverado Resort and Spa North, Napa, CA
U.S. Open
Winged Foot GC, Mamaroneck, NY
SEP 25 - 27
[RESCHEDULED
SEP 24-26, 2021]
Ryder Cup
Whistling Straits, Kohler, WI
Corales Puntacana Resort & Club Championship
Corales Golf Club, Punta Cana, DOM
Sanderson Farms Championship
CC of Jackson, Jackson, MS
Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
TPC Summerlin, Las Vegas, NV
THE CJ CUP @ NINE BRIDGES
Nine Bridges, Jeju Island, KOR
ZOZO CHAMPIONSHIP
Accordia Golf Narashino CC, Chiba, JPN
World Golf Championships-HSBC Champions
Sheshan International GC, Shanghai, CHN
Bermuda Championship
Port Royal GC, Southampton, BER
Houston Open
Memorial Park Golf Course, Houston, TX
Masters Tournament
Augusta National GC, Augusta, GA
The RSM Classic
Sea Island Resort (Seaside), Sea Island, GA
Mayakoba Golf Classic
El Camaleon GC, Playa del Carmen, MEX
|
|
|
|
Post by andersnm on Jul 10, 2020 12:34:15 GMT
As for number of plays or star ratings: these things can't tell us if a recreation is good or not. If you publish Augusta National (I know the name is censored in TGC 2019 - but the point stands for all famous courses) - you will get thousands of plays just because of the name. The course can be nothing like the real course, and be crap as hell - and it will still get thousands of plays because of the name. You can have a really good recreation of a not well known course, and it will barely get any plays. Just have a look at how many "Pebble Beach" courses that are in this game. Do number of plays matter? No.
Star ratings comes with the same problem - so it is utter useless.
The only thing that can be done to see if a recreation is good, is to load up the course in the game and have a look at it.
PGA tour schedule: we should not completely ignore the schedule as we can find good courses/tournaments from it - same with European Tour, Korn Ferry Tour, European Challenge Tour etc. But I really like that our schedule is our own and isn't a copy of TST etc.
Leon: 2-3 courses for "resident designers"? Is this an attempt to reduce number of courses that I have recreated in our schedule? I do not care one bit about who has recreated a course as long as it is a good real championship course that we want to have in the schedule, and that the recreation is well done. My view on this is simple - we pick good real courses, and choose the best version of it in the game (for example, there are better non-lidar recreations than lidar recreations on some courses - like Pine Valley, Congressional, Oakmont CC etc). If the course do not have a good version, we should simply not play it. An example from the Euro schedule this season for me, is the Albatross course on Le National - there are just too many errors for me in that recreation. I had planned to do Dubsdread at Cog Hill. I was very happy when somebody did a fantastic version of that course - meaning I did not need to spend timne on doing that course. So it is not important for me that it is I who have recreated all the courses. I do recreations because I want to play these courses for myself and want good versions of them in the game for myself. That others can benefit from that, and that I find the process of recreation fun - is just a bonus. I benefit from others doing good recreations as well.
|
|
|
|
Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 13:08:51 GMT
No, it was NOT an attempt to reduce the number of your courses Anders 🙄 jeez.
Obviously designers want their courses in the game, it just seemed fair to have the same number for each designer but not an unlimited number, as we have a cramped schedule.
Your courses are excellent recreations but, if you're asking whether I think they're amongst the best/nicest courses available to us then no, I don't.
I will be putting albatros in again, as I really like it and it went down well with others too. It's not completely accurate but it's a fun course to play, looks great and the finishing holes are awesome.
|
|
|
|
Post by andersnm on Jul 10, 2020 13:37:19 GMT
No, it was NOT an attempt to reduce the number of your courses Anders 🙄 jeez. Obviously designers want their courses in the game, it just seemed fair to have the same number for each designer but not an unlimited number, as we have a cramped schedule. Your courses are excellent recreations but, if you're asking whether I think they're amongst the best/nicest courses available to us then no, I don't. I will be putting albatros in again, as I really like it and it went down well with others too. It's not completely accurate but it's a fun course to play, looks great and the finishing holes are awesome. I have not designed Pebble Beach. Paddy has not designed Stone Park. Wade has not designed Mauna Kea. What we have done, is to recreate the course the best we can do - as others also do in the game. We do not however design the course. that has been done by real architects in the real world. Who has done the recreation is absolutely non important - the important is if the recreation is well done, and that we choose the best version. You are free to have an opinion on which is the best version of a recreation in the game, just as I am - and if you find one of my recreations to be worse than other recreations of the same course in the game - you are ofcourse free to have that opinion and voice that we should choose other version of that course for our tournament. And that goes for all other courses and recreations as well. I know that the fantasy-designers over at TGC tours are taking the play-count very seriously - which I find ridiculus and amusing. The play count do not say anything of how good a fantasy course or a recreation is. |
|
|
|
Post by paddyjk19 on Jul 10, 2020 13:49:46 GMT
Resident designers: If you could pick 2 of your courses to be on the schedule, which would they be? I will try to fit 2 on, but can't promise... West Hill GC Surrey St Enodoc GC Cornwall Stoke Park Mill Ride That’s my order in which I rate my courses |
|
|
|
Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 14:06:29 GMT
Again Anders, you have taken this as some sort of "personal" thing 🙄
I wasn't even talking about whether someone has done a better version of the SAME course, I was saying that there are OTHER, more famous, courses that are filling out the schedule, which are better/nicer than some of the obscure Scandinavian courses you've made.
That's not a criticism of those courses, or your ability using the designer! If you honestly believe your 4th favourite scandinavian course is better than like medinah or spyglass or Chicago or something, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think the majority feel that way.
I'm aware that you three didn't literally design the courses, but thank for that pointless patronising "point."
I thought "designer" was a fairly ubiquitous term for people who "make" courses using the course DESIGNER. Would you like me to use a different term for people who make recreations in the designer?
I can't believe someone is actually complaining that I've offered to put two or maybe three of their courses on to the schedule for next season 🙄
If I put 3 in for everyone, that's at least 9 out of 52 courses!
Honestly man, petty BS like this makes motivation to do these jobs REALLY low...
|
|
|
|
Post by LKeet6 on Jul 10, 2020 14:11:17 GMT
Resident designers: If you could pick 2 of your courses to be on the schedule, which would they be? I will try to fit 2 on, but can't promise... West Hill GC Surrey St Enodoc GC Cornwall Stoke Park Mill Ride That’s my order in which I rate my courses Stoke park is underrated, in my opinion. Even by you! 😉 Is it because it's quite "simple?" West hill is awesome. I really enodoc, but also find it quite "fiddly" to play. But I remember everyone else really liking it and if you want it, I'll put it in there 👍 |
|
|
|
Post by paddyjk19 on Jul 10, 2020 14:17:49 GMT
West Hill GC Surrey St Enodoc GC Cornwall Stoke Park Mill Ride That’s my order in which I rate my courses Stoke park is underrated, in my opinion. Even by you! 😉 Is it because it's quite "simple?" West hill is awesome. I really enodoc, but also find it quite "fiddly" to play. But I remember everyone else really liking it and if you want it, I'll put it in there 👍 Stoke Park is iconic so if you can squeeze it in please do and whilst I like Enodoc you’re right, it’s fiddly but it’s classic links. West Hill is my favourite but again might not be everybody’s favourite so I might not be the person to ask! |
|
