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Post by ray on Mar 19, 2020 15:43:26 GMT
Tough last round with the wind adding to the tough greens.
+5 last round, +5 for the event without the R2 penalty. Happy for it to be whatever you decide, my bad for goofing, again...
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 16:28:31 GMT
With marker only you could pull the putting marker back to 3 foot on a severe 1 ft downhiller and swing alot harder than with no marker. With no marker you literally have to get them rolling and they don't stop sometimes. Right, I thought that was basically it. Not sure I want to get started on changing to that. Just another thing to go wrong 😂 No marker is much better in my view, feels more natural could never go back. I remember someone mentioning that some greens in the game are just unplayable on very fast with no marker back in my TST days, as there was talk about going to no marker before TST went with marker only. Alot of this weeks course pins felt unrealistic to me, not only downhillers but sidehill putts and sidehill downhill putts the only way of stopping the ball is to hole the putt. Not your fault Leon as generally default greens have played realistically so far on the schedule. Rangering takes time to play all 72 holes. Your extra tournaments setup each week can help with that👍 |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 16:30:07 GMT
Tough last round with the wind adding to the tough greens. +5 last round, +5 for the event without the R2 penalty. Happy for it to be whatever you decide, my bad for goofing, again... Don't worry about the penalty, there is actually no rule prohibiting Pro Clubs. It's not that you chose them deliberately anyway. |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 16:34:34 GMT
Also talking about speeding up and slowing down greens. TPC at Boston plays great with the greens speeded up to 187 as I sped them up in season 1. It's my favourite out of the HB PGA courses.
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Post by ray on Mar 19, 2020 16:36:40 GMT
Tough last round with the wind adding to the tough greens. +5 last round, +5 for the event without the R2 penalty. Happy for it to be whatever you decide, my bad for goofing, again... Don't worry about the penalty, there is actually no rule prohibiting Pro Clubs. It's not that you chose them deliberately anyway. Happy for one to be applied if anyone wants it. I honestly didn’t mean it. I’m not sure why sometimes it lets you back out and other times not?? Edit - I’m also not sure why I forgot to check... |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 19, 2020 16:54:15 GMT
Don't worry about the penalty, there is actually no rule prohibiting Pro Clubs. It's not that you chose them deliberately anyway. Happy for one to be applied if anyone wants it. I honestly didn’t mean it. I’m not sure why sometimes it lets you back out and other times not?? Edit - I’m also not sure why I forgot to check... Nobody's going to be bothered ray. I was going to say I wasn't sure if we'd banned them, I thought we had a conversation about it, but never enforced it... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 17:08:10 GMT
I have played pro clubs in practice rounds on CC-B. I'm usually within a stroke or two of Masters. Realistically, using pro clubs in USE would be a disadvantage I think. Mainly because we always play from the tips and combined with high or very high winds would make them difficult in my opinion. After watching a lot of PGA tour pros spraying shots, master clubs give more of a realistic experience. I wouldn't have any objections though if someone wanted to use pro clubs.
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 17:46:27 GMT
Some more real frustration on the greens in round 4. Actually played really well. Love playing in heavy winds, love the grind of trying to make par. Really nice approach into crazy high wind to 18 foot. 5 inch downhill putt that I hit as soft as I possible can. Rolls down a slope half the distance of the green to off the front of the green.
Another ten foot huge left to right breaker just misses on the right edge for birdie rolls 25 foot down the green and I hit it perfect speed.
Not a fan of the greens this week they seem totally tricked up with slopes that go on for days.
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Post by al on Mar 19, 2020 18:32:56 GMT
  Just starting out with my 4 ball, a gruesome bunch. Stuck my 2nd in the greenside bunker on the first, might be a plan to avoid having to putt much, maybe.... |
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Post by al on Mar 19, 2020 18:35:42 GMT
Only 5984 ahead of Ray.
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Post by al on Mar 19, 2020 18:37:56 GMT
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Post by andersnm on Mar 19, 2020 19:28:02 GMT
Some more real frustration on the greens in round 4. Actually played really well. Love playing in heavy winds, love the grind of trying to make par. Really nice approach into crazy high wind to 18 foot. 5 inch downhill putt that I hit as soft as I possible can. Rolls down a slope half the distance of the green to off the front of the green. Another ten foot huge left to right breaker just misses on the right edge for birdie rolls 25 foot down the green and I hit it perfect speed. Not a fan of the greens this week they seem totally tricked up with slopes that go on for days. What happens, is that the ball picks up speed when you play big breaks, and it can be as bad as a downhill putt in this game. I agree that it doesn´t feel completely realistic how much speed the ball picks up (yes also on very fast speed). It feels sometimes that there is some exaggerated gravity  So even if the pin is on green slopes, they can be quite severe and still not be yellow and give such rolls. The only thing we can do about it though, is to slow the greens down on such slopes if we want to have it a bit easier. A slope such as you describe Paul, makes it a complete must to have uphill putt with not much break. I don´t remember this course to have bad pin placements as you describe it, but I remember it to be difficult and undulating. I don´t have a PC to play on at the moment, so can´t try it out though. |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 19:48:04 GMT
Some more real frustration on the greens in round 4. Actually played really well. Love playing in heavy winds, love the grind of trying to make par. Really nice approach into crazy high wind to 18 foot. 5 inch downhill putt that I hit as soft as I possible can. Rolls down a slope half the distance of the green to off the front of the green. Another ten foot huge left to right breaker just misses on the right edge for birdie rolls 25 foot down the green and I hit it perfect speed. Not a fan of the greens this week they seem totally tricked up with slopes that go on for days. What happens, is that the ball picks up speed when you play big breaks, and it can be as bad as a downhill putt in this game. I agree that it doesn´t feel completely realistic how much speed the ball picks up (yes also on very fast speed). It feels sometimes that there is some exaggerated gravity So even if the pin is on green slopes, they can be quite severe and still not be yellow and give such rolls. The only thing we can do about it though, is to slow the greens down on such slopes if we want to have it a bit easier. A slope such as you describe Paul, makes it a complete must to have uphill putt with not much break. I don´t remember this course to have bad pin placements as you describe it, but I remember it to be difficult and undulating. I don´t have a PC to play on at the moment, so can´t try it out though. Yes the ball picks up more pace on side hill putts because you have to hit it into the break and then it picks up more speed. The problem with these severe slopes on very fast greens is that the ball just doesn't stop because the slope keeps going and all the way off the green on this course. You just have to hit it below the hole on so many pins on these greens. Alot of these pins would be unplayable even by US Open standards irl. |
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Post by andersnm on Mar 19, 2020 20:10:53 GMT
What happens, is that the ball picks up speed when you play big breaks, and it can be as bad as a downhill putt in this game. I agree that it doesn´t feel completely realistic how much speed the ball picks up (yes also on very fast speed). It feels sometimes that there is some exaggerated gravity So even if the pin is on green slopes, they can be quite severe and still not be yellow and give such rolls. The only thing we can do about it though, is to slow the greens down on such slopes if we want to have it a bit easier. A slope such as you describe Paul, makes it a complete must to have uphill putt with not much break. I don´t remember this course to have bad pin placements as you describe it, but I remember it to be difficult and undulating. I don´t have a PC to play on at the moment, so can´t try it out though. Yes the ball picks up more pace on side hill putts because you have to hit it into the break and then it picks up more speed. The problem with these severe slopes on very fast greens is that the ball just doesn't stop because the slope keeps going and all the way off the green on this course. You just have to hit it below the hole on so many pins on these greens. Alot of these pins would be unplayable even by US Open standards irl. Lesson is that the green speed is too fast on that course then. Because there was not just one such pin as I understand it? Just a warning for the extra tournaments - if we are to play Lofoten Links, the green speed might need to be slower than default  (This is a great way to see if some green speeds are bad or not for some courses). I am doing my home course again now (at least I can finish it when I have a new PC which feels like it takes forever to get..), and have set the speed to 131 to have a realistic speed compared to real life. (I don´t like the speed settings in this game, stimp would have been much better as it is the reference we know and that is widely used). |
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Post by hammers1man on Mar 19, 2020 20:17:13 GMT
Some great scoring this week, I am really impressed . Tuffguts 3 under in round 4 was exceptional USE golf. Well played all that broke par this week 👍
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So even if the pin is on green slopes, they can be quite severe and still not be yellow and give such rolls. The only thing we can do about it though, is to slow the greens down on such slopes if we want to have it a bit easier. A slope such as you describe Paul, makes it a complete must to have uphill putt with not much break.
(This is a great way to see if some green speeds are bad or not for some courses).