Chipping from Bunkers

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[jeff]

Do you get some kind of twisted satisfaction from stirring the pot??

😂😂😂

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Oct 27, 2020 12:34:26 GMT jeff said:

Do you get some kind of twisted satisfaction from stirring the pot??

😂😂😂

I guess in some odd way lol! Really, I always thought it was illegal to chip from bunkers. Obviously it's not. I can see where you wouldn't want to, such as the deep bunkers at Augusta lol. 

[hammers1man]

Oct 27, 2020 12:36:53 GMT @sirwade said:

Oct 27, 2020 12:34:26 GMT jeff said:

Do you get some kind of twisted satisfaction from stirring the pot??

😂😂😂

I guess in some odd way lol! Really, I always thought it was illegal to chip from bunkers. Obviously it's not. I can see where you wouldn't want to, such as the deep bunkers at Augusta lol. 

Probably the best club to chip out of a bunker is a chipper. Good luck trying it with a LW out of soft sand 😜

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Oct 27, 2020 12:39:00 GMT hammers1man said:

Oct 27, 2020 12:36:53 GMT @sirwade said:

I guess in some odd way lol! Really, I always thought it was illegal to chip from bunkers. Obviously it's not. I can see where you wouldn't want to, such as the deep bunkers at Augusta lol. 

Probably the best club to chip out of a bunker is a chipper. Good luck trying it with a LW out of soft sand 😜

So why is it not allowed in the 2k21? If it's legal and probably no easier than the splash shot? Shouldn't we have this option if it's legal in the real game? 

[andersnm]

Oct 27, 2020 12:55:55 GMT @sirwade said:

Oct 27, 2020 12:39:00 GMT hammers1man said:

Probably the best club to chip out of a bunker is a chipper. Good luck trying it with a LW out of soft sand 😜

So why is it not allowed in the 2k21? If it's legal and probably no easier than the splash shot? Shouldn't we have this option if it's legal in the real game? 

First question Wade: How many times have you seen a pro chip out of a bunker on top tournaments?

Try chipping out of sand that is not firm. It is very difficult. It is a reason that the explosive bunker shot is the shot that is used in 99,9% of times out of sand. The difficulty to hit this shot out of sand, is not represented in the game - which is the reason we ban it. It is unrealistic.

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Oct 27, 2020 13:35:40 GMT andersnm said:

Oct 27, 2020 12:55:55 GMT @sirwade said:

So why is it not allowed in the 2k21? If it's legal and probably no easier than the splash shot? Shouldn't we have this option if it's legal in the real game? 

First question Wade: How many times have you seen a pro chip out of a bunker on top tournaments?

Try chipping out of sand that is not firm. It is very difficult. It is a reason that the explosive bunker shot is the shot that is used in 99,9% of times out of sand. The difficulty to hit this shot out of sand, is not represented in the game - which is the reason we ban it. It is unrealistic.

I agree completely, but the point is that it's legal to do it if the situation warrants it. 

[andersnm]

Oct 27, 2020 15:09:58 GMT @sirwade said:

Oct 27, 2020 13:35:40 GMT andersnm said:

First question Wade: How many times have you seen a pro chip out of a bunker on top tournaments?

Try chipping out of sand that is not firm. It is very difficult. It is a reason that the explosive bunker shot is the shot that is used in 99,9% of times out of sand. The difficulty to hit this shot out of sand, is not represented in the game - which is the reason we ban it. It is unrealistic.

I agree completely, but the point is that it's legal to do it if the situation warrants it. 

I forgot to say out of greenside bunkers - not fairway bunkers where you hit a clean long shot, or try to (many amateurs dread this because they do not consistently hit the ball first before the ground).

Rule nr 10 covers how to strike the ball. As you can see - there is not much details. Happy Gilmore swing is totaly allowed - as long as both feets are on the same side and not deliberately one foot on either side of the line of play. You can stand on your head and swing the ball if you can manage that.

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Oct 27, 2020 15:32:03 GMT andersnm said:

Oct 27, 2020 15:09:58 GMT @sirwade said:

I agree completely, but the point is that it's legal to do it if the situation warrants it. 

I forgot to say out of greenside bunkers - not fairway bunkers where you hit a clean long shot, or try to (many amateurs dread this because they do not consistently hit the ball first before the ground).

Rule nr 10 covers how to strike the ball. As you can see - there is not much details. Happy Gilmore swing is totaly allowed - as long as both feets are on the same side and not deliberately one foot on either side of the line of play. You can stand on your head and swing the ball if you can manage that.

I guess in a round about way I'm curious why we worry more about the realism of chipping from a bunker. Instead of the realism of our scores and statistics. To me scores and stats play a bigger role in realism than chipping from a bunker. But if everyone is happy shooting +20,+30,+40 and above every week then I guess it's real enough. 

[andersnm]

Oct 27, 2020 16:44:49 GMT @sirwade said:

Oct 27, 2020 15:32:03 GMT andersnm said:

I forgot to say out of greenside bunkers - not fairway bunkers where you hit a clean long shot, or try to (many amateurs dread this because they do not consistently hit the ball first before the ground).

Rule nr 10 covers how to strike the ball. As you can see - there is not much details. Happy Gilmore swing is totaly allowed - as long as both feets are on the same side and not deliberately one foot on either side of the line of play. You can stand on your head and swing the ball if you can manage that.

I guess in a round about way I'm curious why we worry more about the realism of chipping from a bunker. Instead of the realism of our scores and statistics. To me scores and stats play a bigger role in realism than chipping from a bunker. But if everyone is happy shooting +20,+30,+40 and above every week then I guess it's real enough. 

I am with you on realistic scoring and stats - completely Wade. But I can't see any reason to have unrealistic chipping out of bunkers for that matter. For the stats - swing difficulty is the thing to look at in my opinion.

I have only access to PC scoring and stats - and so far, we are quite on the unrealistic bad side of things I am in favor of testing some tournaments on Pro Swing difficulty in order to see if those stats gets more realistic - so it may be in order to have a poll on that. I know hammers1man is not in favor of that, but I have a feeling many are starting to get tired of the game on Master swing difficulty. At this point, I do not think we are going to improve that much.

[andersnm]

It could also be noted that if we improve so much that stats and scoring gets unrealistic good, it is easy to turn up the difficulty again at that point.

[hammers1man]

Firstly about chipping from bunkers, it is unrealistic in this game as much as the spin from a LW splash out of heavy rough. The difference in difficulty from playing a LW chip out of soft sand or fairway is virtually zero.
Regarding difficulty, it seems everyone is shooting very low on TST, does that splash shot and no marker really make that much difference?. One stat that is much more realistic than TGC2019 in this game now is medium putt percentage.The hole mechanic have really improved.

[hammers1man]

I can set up this weeks tournament in another USE society at Augusta for PC with Pro difficulty, maybe someone could do it for Xbox and PS4 also to get an idea of scoring with pro swing difficulty and USE settings.

[andersnm]

Oct 27, 2020 18:06:31 GMT hammers1man said:

Firstly about chipping from bunkers, it is unrealistic in this game as much as the spin from a LW out of heavy rough. The difference in difficulty from playing a LW chip out of soft sand or fairway is virtually zero.
Regarding difficulty, it seems everyone is shooting very low on TST, does that splash shot and no marker really make that much difference?. One stat that is much more realistic than TGC2019 in this game now is medium putt percentage.The hole mechanic have really improved.

One guy in particular is shooting low, sloanertw (both here, and in TST).

But, to take a look at the stats on PC:
Fairway%: 52,76% average
GIR%: 52,57% average
Putts pr hole: 1,81 average
Scrambling: 43,08% average

Compared to PGA Tour:
58% Fairway - so we are a little behind, but not that bad.
67% GIR - we are way behind on this stat. So while we have more realistic stats off the tee - we see the same accuracy on shorter shots. I think the game is better than TGC 2019 in being less difficult on shorter shots - but this is not optimal and HB needs to increase accuracy even more on shorter shots. My experience so far, is that an iron is an iron - so no matter if it is a 4 iron or a 9 iron - which is unrealistic. A wedge is more accurate, but even there - there is no difference between a gap wedge or a lob wedge.
1,61 putts per hole: We are behind also here by quite a bit. We have on average 3 putts more pr round than the average on the real Tour.
Scrambling 57%: We are way behind Tour average.

It would be in my opinion good to see what stats we would get with Pro Difficulty - because the swing difficulty will change all stats. Putting is also easier - less deviation in swingline and more room for error on distance. Etc.

[hammers1man]

Just played a round with pro swing difficulty. Tbh I really don't like it, way too easy to hit the ball straight for my liking felt more like pro difficulty from TGC2019 than master TGC2019 to me, speed golfed Oakmont in strong wind and on easier greens -1 with about 5 under 20 foot 3 putts as I was rushing. The difference in difficulty from master to pro is huge imo, personally I think I would lose interest quickly playing that difficulty.