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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 8, 2020 11:03:28 GMT
The tempo is too penal on pitch shots so I use the most forgiving wedges and I’m pretty good now and setting up chances, if you are struggling I’d suggest trying forgiving wedges and practicing your arse off! I'm putting the more forgiving wedges (and maybe 9I, even 8I) in my bag, which means I need to change the rest of my bag, for distance reasons. I want to get rid of my 3W and only have 5W in there, and then I'm sure I've seen people say they have two of the same club, in my case it might be 7I. But it's not letting me do it! When I select my 5W and try to change it for a 7I, it's just swapping my 7I. Am I being stupid?? Definitely not, I'm continuously looking at the make up of my bag, my 3 wood is the long one but hitting perfects is tough but it's great for reaching par 5's and thats what I need, I might put in a really forgiving wood at 225 yards and then go a forgiving 3 iron or hybrid at 210 and then work out my irons from there hopefully, don't be afraid to mix iron sets to get the right numbers |
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Post by Leon on Oct 8, 2020 11:24:57 GMT
I'm putting the more forgiving wedges (and maybe 9I, even 8I) in my bag, which means I need to change the rest of my bag, for distance reasons. I want to get rid of my 3W and only have 5W in there, and then I'm sure I've seen people say they have two of the same club, in my case it might be 7I. But it's not letting me do it! When I select my 5W and try to change it for a 7I, it's just swapping my 7I. Am I being stupid?? Definitely not, I'm continuously looking at the make up of my bag, my 3 wood is the long one but hitting perfects is tough but it's great for reaching par 5's and thats what I need, I might put in a really forgiving wood at 225 yards and then go a forgiving 3 iron or hybrid at 210 and then work out my irons from there hopefully, don't be afraid to mix iron sets to get the right numbers Thanks mate. But with the "stupid" comment I actually meant am I missing something with how to change the clubs?? I want two different 7Is in there, is that possible? Also, I haven't seen 3I (or 2 or 1) as an option. Dunno if I'm missing something... |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 8, 2020 12:02:03 GMT
Definitely not, I'm continuously looking at the make up of my bag, my 3 wood is the long one but hitting perfects is tough but it's great for reaching par 5's and thats what I need, I might put in a really forgiving wood at 225 yards and then go a forgiving 3 iron or hybrid at 210 and then work out my irons from there hopefully, don't be afraid to mix iron sets to get the right numbers Thanks mate. But with the "stupid" comment I actually meant am I missing something with how to change the clubs?? I want two different 7Is in there, is that possible? Also, I haven't seen 3I (or 2 or 1) as an option. Dunno if I'm missing something... Not sure about the double 7 iron but I wasn't able to get two 4 hybrids at the same time which was a bummer - the only 3 irons are made by HB, I have one that goes 215 yards and is better out of the heavy rough than a hybrid and I'm in the heavy rough a lot! |
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Post by Leon on Oct 8, 2020 12:08:39 GMT
Great tip on the 3I thanks 👍
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 8, 2020 20:27:25 GMT
Watching Wentworth today and the ball striking from the pros off the tee with driver was awesome very little side spin, great ball striking but no 30 to 40 yard hooks. I don't recall any pros fighting the hook by aiming to the right rough. Not sure why people here don't just play for a good tempo shot unless they need to shape a big hook in the circumstances unless it is easier to hit the fairway with the driver with a hook. This is not golf and this is not how we should play the game here imo.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 8, 2020 20:41:37 GMT
Also I don't buy the eliminating the two way miss argument, should every person that plays the game eliminate the two way miss by playing a hooked drive. We are now turning back into arcade golf.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 21:16:56 GMT
There have been some valid points on how everyone here at USE goes about playing the most realistic golf in this current state. I hear both sides of this argument/discussion. Personally I don't see where the 30-40 hook is coming into play. For me when I play a draw its right edge of the fairway and with the recent putting fix, it feels like the draw is a lot tighter than before. There are different shapes with the red fast. Obviously the VF is more of a hook and that horrible clunk sound that comes with it. To me that should be penalized even more like in 2019. So if I play the draw along with a fade with the swing mechanics and putting in time on the range to account for this, am I not complying to how USE should be played. That's how we played in 2019. Heck I didn't even know we could use true shot/shot shaper until a few days before our season opener. Does that mean I am not enjoying the game or passionate about USE gameplay? I play partials a lot, I flight the ball in low and high with shot shaper to account for wind. If I am wrong then we should state how shot shaping should be used. If we said that to draw/fade the ball we must use the shot shaper. Again more risk and reward, but I'm assuming that is the way we should go about in playing to get as closer to realistic as we can. We can all adjust, look at the putting fix. It'll take some of us time to get it, but then we can just focus on playing golf. We have what we have, and I personally think it's as close to a golf sim I've ever played. We could all go on and on about who's right and wrong. But what do we do as a USE community to ensure we go about playing this game the right way and get what we want out of it?
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 8, 2020 21:36:11 GMT
There have been some valid points on how everyone here at USE goes about playing the most realistic golf in this current state. I hear both sides of this argument/discussion. Personally I don't see where the 30-40 hook is coming into play. For me when I play a draw its right edge of the fairway and with the recent putting fix, it feels like the draw is a lot tighter than before. There are different shapes with the red fast. Obviously the VF is more of a hook and that horrible clunk sound that comes with it. To me that should be penalized even more like in 2019. So if I play the draw along with a fade with the swing mechanics and putting in time on the range to account for this, am I not complying to how USE should be played. That's how we played in 2019. Heck I didn't even know we could use true shot/shot shaper until a few days before our season opener. Does that mean I am not enjoying the game or passionate about USE gameplay? I play partials a lot, I flight the ball in low and high with shot shaper to account for wind. If I am wrong then we should state how shot shaping should be used. If we said that to draw/fade the ball we must use the shot shaper. Again more risk and reward, but I'm assuming that is the way we should go about in playing to get as closer to realistic as we can. We can all adjust, look at the putting fix. It'll take some of us time to get it, but then we can just focus on playing golf. We have what we have, and I personally think it's as close to a golf sim I've ever played. We could all go on and on about who's right and wrong. But what do we do as a USE community to ensure we go about playing this game the right way and get what we want out of it? The big question is are you manipulating the swing to be creative or just slamming a fast because it's easier to hit a fairway, the latter is not what USE is about. Would people be playing the shot if it was harder to hit the fairway and believe me the more hook on the ball the harder it is. Just played Bethpage Black Lider, next weeks course hit a +1 with a silly bogey on 18. The fairways are tiny on the course and it is long, maybe that course doesn't favour a hook drive. |
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Post by jeff on Oct 8, 2020 21:43:27 GMT
Also I don't buy the eliminating the two way miss argument, should every person that plays the game eliminate the two way miss by playing a hooked drive. We are now turning back into arcade golf. Since my debacle at The Stick, I am trying new things. I am trying for Perfects. But if I consciously slow my tempo to avoid my natural Fast, I get Slows. Usually by the back nine I have a better feel and I get more “straight” shots. NB: I have shot feedback turned completely off. My evaluation of Slows, Fasts or Perfects is purely from the result of my shot as viewed from the tee. And it mostly ignores any effects of swing plane deviations, since I see the tempo effects on the ball flight more easily. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 8, 2020 21:43:31 GMT
Also I don't buy the eliminating the two way miss argument, should every person that plays the game eliminate the two way miss by playing a hooked drive. We are now turning back into arcade golf. Every top player on your tries to eliminate the two way miss. Tiger in 2000 snapped his left leg straight to take the left miss out. Tore his knee apart doing so. Monty won 8 order of merits never missing left. Koepka only hits fades, takes the left out of play. Nicklaus too |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 8, 2020 21:47:05 GMT
Watching Wentworth today and the ball striking from the pros off the tee with driver was awesome very little side spin, great ball striking but no 30 to 40 yard hooks. I don't recall any pros fighting the hook by aiming to the right rough. Not sure why people here don't just play for a good tempo shot unless they need to shape a big hook in the circumstances unless it is easier to hit the fairway with the driver with a hook. This is not golf and this is not how we should play the game here imo. You won’t see them Paul because Sky won’t show the guys +6 in round one! I went up the range at Wentworth on the Wednesday a few years back and there were top players having a bad time hitting it everywhere, Michael Campbell, a major winner was hooking the arse off it! Funnily enough didn’t see much coverage of him. Remember, they’re only showing guys playing half decent. 156 normally tee it up and 80 of them are shooting 76+ with horrid shot shapes but a few weeks later they’re winning again |
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Post by jeff on Oct 8, 2020 21:47:38 GMT
There have been some valid points on how everyone here at USE goes about playing the most realistic golf in this current state. I hear both sides of this argument/discussion. Personally I don't see where the 30-40 hook is coming into play. For me when I play a draw its right edge of the fairway and with the recent putting fix, it feels like the draw is a lot tighter than before. There are different shapes with the red fast. Obviously the VF is more of a hook and that horrible clunk sound that comes with it. To me that should be penalized even more like in 2019. So if I play the draw along with a fade with the swing mechanics and putting in time on the range to account for this, am I not complying to how USE should be played. That's how we played in 2019. Heck I didn't even know we could use true shot/shot shaper until a few days before our season opener. Does that mean I am not enjoying the game or passionate about USE gameplay? I play partials a lot, I flight the ball in low and high with shot shaper to account for wind. If I am wrong then we should state how shot shaping should be used. If we said that to draw/fade the ball we must use the shot shaper. Again more risk and reward, but I'm assuming that is the way we should go about in playing to get as closer to realistic as we can. We can all adjust, look at the putting fix. It'll take some of us time to get it, but then we can just focus on playing golf. We have what we have, and I personally think it's as close to a golf sim I've ever played. We could all go on and on about who's right and wrong. But what do we do as a USE community to ensure we go about playing this game the right way and get what we want out of it? The big question is are you manipulating the swing to be creative or just slamming a fast because it's easier to hit a fairway, the latter is not what USE is about. Would people be playing the shot if it was harder to hit the fairway and believe me the more hook on the ball the harder it is.Just played Bethpage Black Lider, next weeks course hit a +1 with a silly bogey on 18. The fairways are tiny on the course and it is long, maybe that course doesn't favour a hook drive. If that’s the case, then why should we care if a player chooses to make things harder on themselves? |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 8, 2020 21:48:57 GMT
There have been some valid points on how everyone here at USE goes about playing the most realistic golf in this current state. I hear both sides of this argument/discussion. Personally I don't see where the 30-40 hook is coming into play. For me when I play a draw its right edge of the fairway and with the recent putting fix, it feels like the draw is a lot tighter than before. There are different shapes with the red fast. Obviously the VF is more of a hook and that horrible clunk sound that comes with it. To me that should be penalized even more like in 2019. So if I play the draw along with a fade with the swing mechanics and putting in time on the range to account for this, am I not complying to how USE should be played. That's how we played in 2019. Heck I didn't even know we could use true shot/shot shaper until a few days before our season opener. Does that mean I am not enjoying the game or passionate about USE gameplay? I play partials a lot, I flight the ball in low and high with shot shaper to account for wind. If I am wrong then we should state how shot shaping should be used. If we said that to draw/fade the ball we must use the shot shaper. Again more risk and reward, but I'm assuming that is the way we should go about in playing to get as closer to realistic as we can. We can all adjust, look at the putting fix. It'll take some of us time to get it, but then we can just focus on playing golf. We have what we have, and I personally think it's as close to a golf sim I've ever played. We could all go on and on about who's right and wrong. But what do we do as a USE community to ensure we go about playing this game the right way and get what we want out of it? The big question is are you manipulating the swing to be creative or just slamming a fast because it's easier to hit a fairway, the latter is not what USE is about. Would people be playing the shot if it was harder to hit the fairway and believe me the more hook on the ball the harder it is. Just played Bethpage Black Lider, next weeks course hit a +1 with a silly bogey on 18. The fairways are tiny on the course and it is long, maybe that course doesn't favour a hook drive. I agree with this, I use my tempo to take danger out of play, be it a slow or a fast, depending on shape of hole and trouble. I learnt this because the loft box was banned in last game. I don’t use shot shaping in this game unless really blocked out |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 8, 2020 21:49:39 GMT
Also I don't buy the eliminating the two way miss argument, should every person that plays the game eliminate the two way miss by playing a hooked drive. We are now turning back into arcade golf. Every top player on your tries to eliminate the two way miss. Tiger in 2000 snapped his left leg straight to take the left miss out. Tore his knee apart doing so. Monty won 8 order of merits never missing left. Koepka only hits fades, takes the left out of play. Nicklaus too So Tiger or Monty never went left, I have seen Monty play live at Wentworth and hit shots left, difference is in the game you actually eliminate going one direction, you make driving easier and that is not a good thing. It is not that hard to hit in the grey box on PC and PS4, Xbox is tough though. |
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 8, 2020 21:50:56 GMT
Watching Wentworth today and the ball striking from the pros off the tee with driver was awesome very little side spin, great ball striking but no 30 to 40 yard hooks. I don't recall any pros fighting the hook by aiming to the right rough. Not sure why people here don't just play for a good tempo shot unless they need to shape a big hook in the circumstances unless it is easier to hit the fairway with the driver with a hook. This is not golf and this is not how we should play the game here imo. You won’t see them Paul because Sky won’t show the guys +6 in round one! I went up the range at Wentworth on the Wednesday a few years back and there were top players having a bad time hitting it everywhere, Michael Campbell, a major winner was hooking the arse off it! Funnily enough didn’t see much coverage of him. Remember, they’re only showing guys playing half decent. 156 normally tee it up and 80 of them are shooting 76+ with horrid shot shapes but a few weeks later they’re winning again Yes but most of those hooks don't end up on the fairway, they have bad results. |
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