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Post by jeff on Sept 20, 2020 2:28:59 GMT
Yes - but you need to be on to really get low scores. I very much doubt we will see much of -40 total tournament scores in this season. We need to pressure HB to get the tee choices for the next game - I doubt they will patch that this time. But more important - are proper penalty areas and drop rules. That for me is the number one thing to get in the game. Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I'm not having as much success with the 70 LW as the 53 LW, but it's not awful, either. Being long is not the only issue with the 70. I tried a hands-just-below-waist-level partial out of the rough for a 15-yard, 6-feet up shot out of a 75% lie. Problem was, the ball was on a downhill lie as well, and the hands position parallax was enough to fool me. I came up 7 yds short! After I hamburgered that shot, my playing partner wanted to know why I didn't use the splash instead. I told him the splash was a bunker shot and I wasn't in a bunker. He just laughed at me!  He also laughs at me for turning on shot timing. He plays on Legend with shot timing off. He claims a Legend swing plane with no shot timing is every bit as hard as a Master swing plane with shot timing on. Then it was my turn to laugh at him.  |
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Post by andersnm on Sept 20, 2020 12:09:03 GMT
Yes - but you need to be on to really get low scores. I very much doubt we will see much of -40 total tournament scores in this season. We need to pressure HB to get the tee choices for the next game - I doubt they will patch that this time. But more important - are proper penalty areas and drop rules. That for me is the number one thing to get in the game. Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I go with what is most realistic to my own game - and what looks good. That means Wilson Staff wedges. 67 yards carry with 60 degree lob wedge pitch - which is pretty close to my own 1/2 swing pitch with my own lob wedge. So far so good. But it is very unrealistic that a 1/3 pitch 80% has ca 24 yards carry. So they have got something backwards here - and I wrote this to Craig at HB, though with no reply so not sure if he understood the problem here. If I do a 1/3 pitch with my lob wedge in real life, that is more like 45-50 yard carry. On any shots from 15-20 yards in real life, I would chip unless it has hazards in between me and the hole and I have not much green to work with, at the time I may attempt a flop. I chip in the game also, but cannot use my lob wedge on these distances - which again is unrealistic for me compared to real life (I never chip with any other club than my lob wedge in real life, but I am forced to do so in the game). So yeah, the short game needs major overhaul to the next game. I think they have good promise and a good foundation to build a good realistic short game. |
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Post by mcbogga on Sept 20, 2020 16:28:58 GMT
Yes - but you need to be on to really get low scores. I very much doubt we will see much of -40 total tournament scores in this season. We need to pressure HB to get the tee choices for the next game - I doubt they will patch that this time. But more important - are proper penalty areas and drop rules. That for me is the number one thing to get in the game. Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I think we should possibly revisit the splash shot rule. On courses like the one this week its not an auto-save and pretty much the only reasonable shot in some situations. |
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Post by Leon on Sept 20, 2020 16:54:10 GMT
Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I think we should possibly revisit the splash shot rule. On courses like the one this week its not an auto-save and pretty much the only reasonable shot in some situations. I agree. I completely understand the rule, and I'm not that bothered if it remains but, to me, having to try and get a 90% on a pitch, in a fraction of a second, to get HALF distance, is more unrealistic than how OP the splash shot is... The pros can do a half pitch or a flighted chip in those situations FAR easier than we can in the game... |
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Post by andersnm on Sept 20, 2020 17:06:14 GMT
Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I think we should possibly revisit the splash shot rule. On courses like the one this week its not an auto-save and pretty much the only reasonable shot in some situations. We all agree that the short game isn't perfect in the game. But - I have watched one good TST player on youtube - and, use the splash shot exclusively on the short game. What I suggest - because we will need a rule on the splash shot even if we open up on some situations - is that we wait and see how the scrambling stat comes up from the best in our society. Remember, that the best last season at the PGA tour was 67% scrambling, and the average 58%. I would not count my rounds so far this season - at least not the first on the Old White. Edit: I am watching featured groups on the US Open (mainly to get to see all the shots from Hovland) - and considering the difficulty on the course: how many splash shots have you seen outside the bunkers from the pros on this course on these conditions? This heavy rough might be the only time I might consider such a shot myself - and that would most probably be a distaster. I am confident that I will vote no to splash outside bunkers no matter short game stats. |
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Post by Gasman on Sept 20, 2020 19:56:19 GMT
Is the leaderboard available for this tourney?
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 20, 2020 20:07:15 GMT
Is the leaderboard available for this tourney? Leaderboard will be up tomorrow evening, haven't had a chance today as I have been out all day. |
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 21, 2020 21:04:27 GMT
Week 1: The Sony Open We travelled to the beautiful Mauna Kea GC in Hawaii Congrat to our first tournament of season 3 champion Pakalolo on 2 under par Pakalolo is the only player to break par in an extremely tough week, his -2 total beats Sosigis by 4 strokes on +2 with McBogga a further 2 shots back on +4. Well played guys. Low rounds of the week, 67's by Sosigis and Lkeet-6 in round 2. Shot of the week is this absolute monster left to righter by Al on hole 1 in the 2nd round, superb putt.  |
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Post by mcbogga on Sept 22, 2020 8:45:35 GMT
Yes and I hope that doesn't turn people away. The LW is a huge club for USE, recommend that everyone goes with the less distance LW. Most importantly 15 to 20 yards are out of the question with the distance 63 Y LW. I have changed back to the 53 Y LW and SW shorter clubs as the longer clubs are too long for any feel around the green pitch shots. Shame because my distances between clubs for full shots was spot on. I go with what is most realistic to my own game - and what looks good. That means Wilson Staff wedges. 67 yards carry with 60 degree lob wedge pitch - which is pretty close to my own 1/2 swing pitch with my own lob wedge. So far so good. But it is very unrealistic that a 1/3 pitch 80% has ca 24 yards carry. So they have got something backwards here - and I wrote this to Craig at HB, though with no reply so not sure if he understood the problem here. If I do a 1/3 pitch with my lob wedge in real life, that is more like 45-50 yard carry. On any shots from 15-20 yards in real life, I would chip unless it has hazards in between me and the hole and I have not much green to work with, at the time I may attempt a flop. I chip in the game also, but cannot use my lob wedge on these distances - which again is unrealistic for me compared to real life (I never chip with any other club than my lob wedge in real life, but I am forced to do so in the game). So yeah, the short game needs major overhaul to the next game. I think they have good promise and a good foundation to build a good realistic short game. To me it’s more about being able to produce ball-flights and behaviour. For the chips I don’t really care that I have to go to “PW” to hit it 18-20 yards - if the ball behaves as it would if I’d hit that type of shot IRL despite me probably using an LW or GW. This is why I think the splash still has a place possibly. Even if HB labelled it as a splash shot it does produce reasonable results from the rough and fairway just not possible with the pitch shot. Does have the issue with LW splash spinning too much out of rough however so I’m really on the fence over it. |
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Post by jeff on Sept 22, 2020 15:50:06 GMT
FWIW, I think allowing the splash as necessary from outside of bunkers is a good idea.
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Post by andersnm on Sept 22, 2020 16:08:56 GMT
I go with what is most realistic to my own game - and what looks good. That means Wilson Staff wedges. 67 yards carry with 60 degree lob wedge pitch - which is pretty close to my own 1/2 swing pitch with my own lob wedge. So far so good. But it is very unrealistic that a 1/3 pitch 80% has ca 24 yards carry. So they have got something backwards here - and I wrote this to Craig at HB, though with no reply so not sure if he understood the problem here. If I do a 1/3 pitch with my lob wedge in real life, that is more like 45-50 yard carry. On any shots from 15-20 yards in real life, I would chip unless it has hazards in between me and the hole and I have not much green to work with, at the time I may attempt a flop. I chip in the game also, but cannot use my lob wedge on these distances - which again is unrealistic for me compared to real life (I never chip with any other club than my lob wedge in real life, but I am forced to do so in the game). So yeah, the short game needs major overhaul to the next game. I think they have good promise and a good foundation to build a good realistic short game. To me it’s more about being able to produce ball-flights and behaviour. For the chips I don’t really care that I have to go to “PW” to hit it 18-20 yards - if the ball behaves as it would if I’d hit that type of shot IRL despite me probably using an LW or GW. This is why I think the splash still has a place possibly. Even if HB labelled it as a splash shot it does produce reasonable results from the rough and fairway just not possible with the pitch shot. Does have the issue with LW splash spinning too much out of rough however so I’m really on the fence over it. I completely understand Robert - as I have the same problem on flop and pitches from uphill and downhill lies. When the game doesn't feel realistic in ball flights and behavior from shots you do - but you get that from a different shot type - I do see your point. I treat a flop from a uphill lie as a pitch in my mind - because that is how a pitch from such a lie would behave. And to make a point on the chip shot - I feel the chip shot is much better with a lob wedge in this game compared to 2019 - but when I chip a 20 yard shot in real life - that ball will get much higher and longer carry with my lob wedge compared to a PW or 9 iron. Yes - I can make stance and lean adjustment to deloft my lob wedge to get a bump and roll shot - instead of choosing a higher club. That is not how I play golf however, as I tend to get less consistent results when doing so. Yes, I am not that good. So I can have more power on my lob wedge chip shot in real life than the game allows me. And yes, I can choose a pitch and do a partial for that 20 yard shot - but that is also unrealistic as I would hit that ball much futher in real life on the partial that gives me 20 yard pitch in the game. So I think we ought to keep reminding the devs at HB about it as often as we can. And also not leave it be. Realism in this is both good for us simmers - and the casual gamers. As I am sure we agree on - the short game is the part of the game that needs most improvement for the coming games when it comes to gameplay mechanics. |
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 22, 2020 17:05:37 GMT
I know the greens were firm and fast at Winged Foot on Sunday but I hope the dev's were watching. Rory hit a splash or explosion shot and the ball rolled 25 foot after landing, He was only 20 yards away.
Correct me if I am wrong guys but doesn't a pitch with a SW produce more friction so more backspin backspin if you hit down on it as the ball runs up the grooves of the clubface. A splash shot or flop produces more height with the bounce that pops the ball up with that higher trajectory but you are not going to get the check up or bite and the ball putting the brakes on that we see in this game and especially out of heavy rough.
The mechanics from heavy rough around the greens has been poor on every TGC game. If only they took the crazy spin off the ball when hitting out of heavy rough it would be a step forward.
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Post by mcbogga on Sept 22, 2020 18:09:28 GMT
Depends on how you hit that lofted shot. The shallow AoA slight backwards shaft lean, slight open face LW is one of the spiniest shots available around the green.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 22, 2020 18:37:11 GMT
Depends on how you hit that lofted shot. The shallow AoA slight backwards shaft lean, slight open face LW is one of the spiniest shots available around the green. McBogga knows how to maximise the spin loft, I had to do a whole assignment on spin loft as part of my PGA modules, very interesting stuff, to get really technical get reading the golfing machine, it’s mind boggling! |
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 22, 2020 18:47:12 GMT
Depends on how you hit that lofted shot. The shallow AoA slight backwards shaft lean, slight open face LW is one of the spiniest shots available around the green. Isn't that different from a bunker shot though? My problem with the LW splash in the game is it seems to react the same no matter the lie, rough fairway or sand. We all know there will be little spin from heavy rough but it will land softer apart from what I witnessed at Winged Foot on Sunday but they were firm and fast greens. |
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He also laughs at me for turning on shot timing. He plays on Legend with shot timing off. He claims a Legend swing plane with no shot timing is every bit as hard as a Master swing plane with shot timing on. Then it was my turn to laugh at him. 
