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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 17:22:34 GMT
With a new game - our rules must change.
There is no longer a loft box. But True Shot. Slow backswing is no longer a thing. But we have other things that are new - and that we may have some rules on.
Thought it a good idea to have this in a separate thread so we can have a good discussion on it. If there are areas that we disagree on, we can use polls on those issues.
I will update this first post for a list of rules that we want to have.
- No chipping from bunkers
- Splash shot only from bunkers
- Flop shots only when it is needed and appropriate.
- Haptic feedback turned off
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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 17:53:15 GMT
We might want to discuss Distance Info Position in the Display settings. This give exact yardage and elevation to the pin.
In real life golf - we do not know exact elevation. It is forbidden to use devices that give exact elevation reading.
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 21, 2020 17:58:11 GMT
We might want to discuss Distance Info Position in the Display settings. This give exact yardage and elevation to the pin. In real life golf - we do not know exact elevation. It is forbidden to use devices that give exact elevation reading. I think the elevation is only beneficial on large elevations and wouldn't a pro have that in his caddies notes anyway. |
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Post by polekatt/josia on Aug 21, 2020 18:01:17 GMT
Plus, I think elevation is the hardest thing to read on a 2D screen, both in the fairway and on the green itself. In real life you 'see' it and feel it. I have trouble seeing that same feeling on the screen.
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 21, 2020 18:04:07 GMT
Putting elevation is a must or you are looking at a extremely frustrating experience. Tbh it's tough enough without grids and vibration.
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Post by al on Aug 21, 2020 18:53:49 GMT
With a new game - our rules must change. There is no longer a loft box. But True Shot. Slow backswing is no longer a thing. But we have other things that are new - and that we may have some rules on. Thought it a good idea to have this in a separate thread so we can have a good discussion on it. If there are areas that we disagree on, we can use polls on those issues. I will update this first post for a list of rules that we want to have. - No chipping from bunkers - Splash shot only from bunkers - Flop shots only when it is needed and appropriate. - Haptic feedback turned off When is a flop shot appropriate would be my only concern 😀, but otherwise agree with those settings. 👍 |
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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 22:00:39 GMT
With a new game - our rules must change. There is no longer a loft box. But True Shot. Slow backswing is no longer a thing. But we have other things that are new - and that we may have some rules on. Thought it a good idea to have this in a separate thread so we can have a good discussion on it. If there are areas that we disagree on, we can use polls on those issues. I will update this first post for a list of rules that we want to have. - No chipping from bunkers - Splash shot only from bunkers - Flop shots only when it is needed and appropriate. - Haptic feedback turned off When is a flop shot appropriate would be my only concern 😀, but otherwise agree with those settings. 👍 Good question - and a question one has to ask while on the course. To be honest, I don't think we should have that rule - but the thing is: how much green do I have to work with? Plenty? Enough that a pitch is the natural shot? A flop shot is a risky shot in real life - and you don't get much spin on it regardless of what HB claims in the game. The point of the shot, is to add trajectory to help get the ball to land more soft so it doesn't roll out so much. But it is difficult and risky, so you only use it in circumstances where there is no other option. Many times, it is better to just pitch the ball on the green, take the long putt and get that bogey. I realise the game isn't perfect when it comes to uphill pitches. I just had a round at Bjaavann GK (I will publish all my courses - just going to plant a bit more and polish a bit, fixing pin positions etc) where I had a uphill pitch on hole 2 from the left side. The ball came out way too low - so the result from that pitch shot was quite unrealistic with a 60 degree lob wedge. The result from a flop shot would have been how a pitch in real life would behave in that situation unfortunately. A flop shot from that lie in real life would have been no good - but in this game, that is the good shot. I will point this out to HB later on - but right now, there is so much going on that I don't think it will register. |
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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 22:03:03 GMT
Plus, I think elevation is the hardest thing to read on a 2D screen, both in the fairway and on the green itself. In real life you 'see' it and feel it. I have trouble seeing that same feeling on the screen.
Fair points Josia. I have no strong feelings on this, and did not think on it before someone played with the guess-work. So I just thought it was good to have a discussion on it. |
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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 22:07:51 GMT
We might want to discuss Distance Info Position in the Display settings. This give exact yardage and elevation to the pin. In real life golf - we do not know exact elevation. It is forbidden to use devices that give exact elevation reading. I think the elevation is only beneficial on large elevations and wouldn't a pro have that in his caddies notes anyway. Yes - you have elevations in the caddie notes - but you don't get exact from every point on the course. I do not think this is very unrealistic either way - as we have no elevation data in the yardage book which is fine, and only elevation at the pin. |
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 21, 2020 22:12:33 GMT
I think the elevation is only beneficial on large elevations and wouldn't a pro have that in his caddies notes anyway. Yes - you have elevations in the caddie notes - but you don't get exact from every point on the course. I do not think this is very unrealistic either way - as we have no elevation data in the yardage book which is fine, and only elevation at the pin. Exact is superficial tbh, the swing and distances and shot shaper are so much more complex. Just can't see the dial in anymore as it's tough. Every part of the game requires skill in the shot and forward thinking I really love that. Agree with the aids and shots we shouldn't play. |
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 21, 2020 22:17:17 GMT
When is a flop shot appropriate would be my only concern 😀, but otherwise agree with those settings. 👍 Good question - and a question one has to ask while on the course. To be honest, I don't think we should have that rule - but the thing is: how much green do I have to work with? Plenty? Enough that a pitch is the natural shot? A flop shot is a risky shot in real life - and you don't get much spin on it regardless of what HB claims in the game. The point of the shot, is to add trajectory to help get the ball to land more soft so it doesn't roll out so much. But it is difficult and risky, so you only use it in circumstances where there is no other option. Many times, it is better to just pitch the ball on the green, take the long putt and get that bogey. I realise the game isn't perfect when it comes to uphill pitches. I just had a round at Bjaavann GK (I will publish all my courses - just going to plant a bit more and polish a bit, fixing pin positions etc) where I had a uphill pitch on hole 2 from the left side. The ball came out way too low - so the result from that pitch shot was quite unrealistic with a 60 degree lob wedge. The result from a flop shot would have been how a pitch in real life would behave in that situation unfortunately. A flop shot from that lie in real life would have been no good - but in this game, that is the good shot. I will point this out to HB later on - but right now, there is so much going on that I don't think it will register. I actually haven't played a single flop or out of bunker splash. Never felt the need to as the LW pitch is great. |
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Post by andersnm on Aug 21, 2020 22:21:49 GMT
Good question - and a question one has to ask while on the course. To be honest, I don't think we should have that rule - but the thing is: how much green do I have to work with? Plenty? Enough that a pitch is the natural shot? A flop shot is a risky shot in real life - and you don't get much spin on it regardless of what HB claims in the game. The point of the shot, is to add trajectory to help get the ball to land more soft so it doesn't roll out so much. But it is difficult and risky, so you only use it in circumstances where there is no other option. Many times, it is better to just pitch the ball on the green, take the long putt and get that bogey. I realise the game isn't perfect when it comes to uphill pitches. I just had a round at Bjaavann GK (I will publish all my courses - just going to plant a bit more and polish a bit, fixing pin positions etc) where I had a uphill pitch on hole 2 from the left side. The ball came out way too low - so the result from that pitch shot was quite unrealistic with a 60 degree lob wedge. The result from a flop shot would have been how a pitch in real life would behave in that situation unfortunately. A flop shot from that lie in real life would have been no good - but in this game, that is the good shot. I will point this out to HB later on - but right now, there is so much going on that I don't think it will register. I actually haven't played a single flop or out of bunker splash. Never felt the need to as the LW pitch is great. Then you have not tried to pitch from a severe uphill lie. A 60 degree wedge in such a lie is more like a 70-75 degree wedge - and the ball will get really high on a pitch. Flopping from such a lie will get the ball nowhere - or if you are Mickelson, you can try to backward flop the ball. In this game however, a pitch is going out low - and a flop is making the correct ball flight. This is quite a flaw in the game. |
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Post by hammers1man on Aug 21, 2020 22:24:40 GMT
I actually haven't played a single flop or out of bunker splash. Never felt the need to as the LW pitch is great. Then you have not tried to pitch from a severe uphill lie. A 60 degree wedge in such a lie is more like a 70-75 degree wedge - and the ball will get really high on a pitch. Flopping from such a lie will get the ball nowhere - or if you are Mickelson, you can try to backward flop the ball. In this game however, a pitch is going out low - and a flop is making the correct ball flight. This is quite a flaw in the game. Can we compensate with true shot, lower the trajectory. |
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Post by booze on Aug 22, 2020 5:02:00 GMT
I’m good with whatever is decided, but I talked about the unknown elevation in the Sim tour thread. I’m not sure I get this. If someone just practices with everything turned on, wouldnt they just get that info for the tee shot and approach? I’m fine with someone practicing, but to me that’s vital info that can be gained and noted, like to know a certain club will land 25 feet short..or worse go in the water. They can see the elevation prior, and then play with it off and already know. It just makes practicing required if others are doing it. Does this make sense? I know everyone here is honorable, but it just seems really easy to do if someone took the time to play in advance. Even if it’s done honestly with the info off, it’s still a big advantage. Knowing what elevation may do prior is huge.
Also, I don’t play real golf...so I’d never know what shot is legit in a given situation. So I’d have to refer to you guys 🙂 I’ve never heard of splash shot and really only ever heard of flop from knowing Phil does it. I would definitely need to know the rules of this or else I’ll always just pick the best yardage shot (Aside from current rules like bunker chips)
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Post by GreyOsprey on Aug 24, 2020 20:49:27 GMT
I feel like HB has really messed up the short game with these shot types.
I have yet to find the right combination that comes close to replicating the old punch shot.
What about flops out of bunkers instead of splashes, especially out of longer greenside bunkers (30 yds or more)?
Any update on flop shots?
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