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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 7, 2020 11:00:05 GMT
I thought I was the only one who cared enough about that D bag to consider not playing his course, but because everyone else loves the course, I gave up on that. I think the majority want to use '19 pins, so do you mind setting the tournament for XB? And hopefully playing it too! Me and Paul have a way of doing it for PC and PS4. Will have it up and running soon after you set the conditions đź‘Ť See post above, we're going firethorn, cheers mate. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 8, 2020 22:24:59 GMT
At a loose end tonight, so been using ezzino's list to search out some courses.
Decided I might also try here to prioritise courses from less obvious countries, so basically not UK and USA.
Found 3 really nice looking Australian courses, and one in Montreal.
I don't want to make the list insanely long, so I might leave it there. Ezzino's list is such a fantastic resource and it's user friendly; I could easily create a 100+ course list in a week, over 3-4 short little searches like tonight, if I wasn't careful!
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Post by andersnm on Apr 9, 2020 13:32:32 GMT
At a loose end tonight, so been using ezzino's list to search out some courses. Decided I might also try here to prioritise courses from less obvious countries, so basically not UK and USA. Found 3 really nice looking Australian courses, and one in Montreal. I don't want to make the list insanely long, so I might leave it there. Ezzino's list is such a fantastic resource and it's user friendly; I could easily create a 100+ course list in a week, over 3-4 short little searches like tonight, if I wasn't careful! With all due respect to Ezzino and his list - he is a fantastic guy and it is a very nice list. But as he has stated - he hasn't really been quality checking the courses, more so that he has checked them with regards to accuracy on routing and compared to satelite pictures (which also can be outdated pictures). So for me, I need to go in and zoom around the course to get a feel if it is a good RCR or not and check it out for myself. I will also check pictures of the course at the same time. I am pretty selective when it comes to quality (also paddyjk19, I think), so perhaps a list filtered through some quality would be even better - for me at least (though I can still use the list). |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Apr 9, 2020 13:43:22 GMT
At a loose end tonight, so been using ezzino's list to search out some courses. Decided I might also try here to prioritise courses from less obvious countries, so basically not UK and USA. Found 3 really nice looking Australian courses, and one in Montreal. I don't want to make the list insanely long, so I might leave it there. Ezzino's list is such a fantastic resource and it's user friendly; I could easily create a 100+ course list in a week, over 3-4 short little searches like tonight, if I wasn't careful! With all due respect to Ezzino and his list - he is a fantastic guy and it is a very nice list. But as he has stated - he hasn't really been quality checking the courses, more so that he has checked them with regards to accuracy on routing and compared to satelite pictures (which also can be outdated pictures). So for me, I need to go in and zoom around the course to get a feel if it is a good RCR or not and check it out for myself. I will also check pictures of the course at the same time. I am pretty selective when it comes to quality (also paddyjk19, I think), so perhaps a list filtered through some quality would be even better - for me at least (though I can still use the list). Anders is right, whilst LiDAR has enabled design it’s also allowed people to create crap and label it with the authentic name. I even saw one designer admit he doesn’t plant fully because he uses a simulator and slows it down, there’s also the guy who did Pine Valley who did it half arsed and made an average job, these great courses deserve time spent so we need to quality check a bit more I think. The biggest problem is other designers won’t create courses if they think someone has already created it, I just wish they’d test it and if they can do better they should go ahead rather than us having lists with only one design per course and people claiming tracks |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 9, 2020 14:06:49 GMT
Ezzino literally can not "quality test" the amount of courses he's checking. No debate there.
He's told me his varieties of methods for finding all the courses, and it's insanely labour intensive. A real labour of love.
His aim is to get a list of what real courses EXIST in the game, and how accurate they are, (less of a scientific judgement, which his notes admit) and that's it.
When it comes to "quality" of courses, I don't think I can get as worked up as you guys about it. I think I notice some of the criticisms you guys make, I think sometimes I can feel like a 7 out of 10 vibe from them, instead of a 9 or a 10, but it's very rare when I feel like "that was not good."
I don't just select them based off that list anyway. I find ones that sound interesting, and then see if they have a thread on the forums and what people said about them. All those courses I mention above have a thread with good comments and recommendations. Ezzino's database is merely my starting point.
As for courses I ask him about specifically, or ones he likes and recommends to me, he's never let me down there.
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Post by andersnm on Apr 9, 2020 16:20:02 GMT
Ezzino literally can not "quality test" the amount of courses he's checking. No debate there. He's told me his varieties of methods for finding all the courses, and it's insanely labour intensive. A real labour of love. His aim is to get a list of what real courses EXIST in the game, and how accurate they are, (less of a scientific judgement, which his notes admit) and that's it. When it comes to "quality" of courses, I don't think I can get as worked up as you guys about it. I think I notice some of the criticisms you guys make, I think sometimes I can feel like a 7 out of 10 vibe from them, instead of a 9 or a 10, but it's very rare when I feel like "that was not good." I don't just select them based off that list anyway. I find ones that sound interesting, and then see if they have a thread on the forums and what people said about them. All those courses I mention above have a thread with good comments and recommendations. Ezzino's database is merely my starting point. As for courses I ask him about specifically, or ones he likes and recommends to me, he's never let me down there. I have nothing but respect for Ezzino and what he has done. I do not say he should quality check his list, just that we ought to be aware that there are differences in quality on the RCR's. And quality is indeed subjective - but I would also say to a certain degree objetive; so I think it is possible to find objetive criteria to filter the amazing list Ezzino has provided. And for me, such a filtered list could be good, but of course not necessary as I can load up the course and have a look around myself. So it just saves some time to have a list of quality checked courses. (I do not read any threads on the forums etc- I just take a look at the course - granted, this does not mean there are not bad pins - which I don't think we can totaly avoid (would require extensive scouting/rangering)). |
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Post by andersnm on Apr 9, 2020 16:29:45 GMT
With all due respect to Ezzino and his list - he is a fantastic guy and it is a very nice list. But as he has stated - he hasn't really been quality checking the courses, more so that he has checked them with regards to accuracy on routing and compared to satelite pictures (which also can be outdated pictures). So for me, I need to go in and zoom around the course to get a feel if it is a good RCR or not and check it out for myself. I will also check pictures of the course at the same time. I am pretty selective when it comes to quality (also paddyjk19 , I think), so perhaps a list filtered through some quality would be even better - for me at least (though I can still use the list). Anders is right, whilst LiDAR has enabled design it’s also allowed people to create crap and label it with the authentic name. I even saw one designer admit he doesn’t plant fully because he uses a simulator and slows it down, there’s also the guy who did Pine Valley who did it half arsed and made an average job, these great courses deserve time spent so we need to quality check a bit more I think. The biggest problem is other designers won’t create courses if they think someone has already created it, I just wish they’d test it and if they can do better they should go ahead rather than us having lists with only one design per course and people claiming tracks One thing is lidar, another thing is badly done recreations without lidar. We have played two so far this season in my humble opinion; El Camaleon and this weeks Hamilton (granted, I joined this thing at week 10, so I may have missed something..). I also noticed scoll3 over at TGC tours said the same thing about the designer you are refering to - concerning Riviera. When I look at pictures of Riviera and load that course up - I too don't get the feeling I am at the Riviera. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 9, 2020 16:58:19 GMT
Playing courses to check their quality up close is a VERY labourious task. Any feedback from anyone on that is very much appreciated.
I personally do not have time to do it. I play the game a lot, but most weeks I'm scraping by getting all my tournament rounds done. Sometimes find good courses that way.
Sometimes find good courses from my new society too; that is partly the point of it after all.
I find courses recommended in the forums, which takes 2 minutes to check, fairly reliable. Especially if it's done by someone I know has good taste. And ezzino is a good example of such a person.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Apr 18, 2020 11:22:01 GMT
Just played “Trevose Country Club” it’s actually a LiDAR design even though it’s not mentioned, the designer has done a super job and it’s a really good course.
I recommend anyone who enjoyed my Enodoc course to give this a go, it’s quality!
I would back it for a tournament here
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 18, 2020 11:26:05 GMT
Just played “Trevose Country Club” it’s actually a LiDAR design even though it’s not mentioned, the designer has done a super job and it’s a really good course. I recommend anyone who enjoyed my Enodoc course to give this a go, it’s quality! I would back it for a tournament here I just recently played 4 rounds on it on the money tour society! So it would be low down my personal priority list. But agreed, it's a nice course. Have a go everyone. Crank the wind up! |
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 18, 2020 9:06:12 GMT
Conditions for medinah
Course name: medinah C.C. #3 (L) (5,800k plays)
Duration 3+ days (Jun 21)
Tees: gold
Pins: 1 and 2
Conditions:
Round 1: Medium, west
Round 2: medium, northeast
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 18, 2020 9:47:55 GMT
Conditions for medinah Course name: medinah C.C. #3 (L) (5,800k plays) Duration 3+ days (Jun 21) Tees: gold Pins: 1 and 2 Conditions: Round 1: Medium, west Round 2: medium, northeast I'll set up PC when I get home from work đź‘Ť |
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 18, 2020 11:14:08 GMT
Conditions for medinah Course name: medinah C.C. #3 (L) (5,800k plays) Duration 3+ days (Jun 21) Tees: gold Pins: 1 and 2 Conditions: Round 1: Medium, west Round 2: medium, northeast I'll set up PC when I get home from work 👍 Thanks mate. Put it in the wrong thread 🙄 |
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Post by GreyOsprey on Jun 25, 2020 12:10:48 GMT
Not sure what the criteria is for course selection, but what about Carinthia Club Austria? Not sure if it's suitable for USE settings or not.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 25, 2020 12:37:32 GMT
Not sure what the criteria is for course selection, but what about Carinthia Club Austria? Not sure if it's suitable for USE settings or not. It wouldn't be for USE extra, because I only use real courses, but Paddy's fictional tournaments might use it, however he's not about at the moment  |
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