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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:27:39 GMT
This is actually argument for Pro difficulty with purple clubs  Because - as I tested this in the game now, you are very close in the zone-size on those settings. I can see the argument for this but I’d be shooting low 60’s on pro and then its not a challenge anymore but I can also understand it’s a grind for others on masters difficulty. I still vote club choices as open. If you got everyone to post their set here you’d see everyone’s would be different. Half the fun is messing around and finding your perfect setup I am sorry, but I totaly disagree with your view on fun here - no disrespect! I would be totaly on board with different attributes on clubs if they where realistic. The problem as I saw it tonight, is that we are playing a different game when it comes to different shots. No the distance loss on the silver clubs do not account for the very larger timing windows. It is moving down a difficulty in terms of the windows. |
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 7, 2021 21:29:52 GMT
I tested this using legend difficulty and it was the most punishing of all the combinations. I'm game for whatever you guys decide. I do think we need to do something. I just don't know what. Go in the game and have a go at Pro difficulty with purple clubs Wade - and take a look at the different windows for perfect and grey. Then have the silver clubs on Master and notice the difference. I can already say I will refuse to play anything other than purple clubs - as that is the realistic clubs from a Tour Pro perspective when it comes to carry distance. I play distance irons, just don't play the wedges because they are useless for the short game. 11 yard bunker shots are a mess with a 25 yard lob wedge. |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:38:43 GMT
Go in the game and have a go at Pro difficulty with purple clubs Wade - and take a look at the different windows for perfect and grey. Then have the silver clubs on Master and notice the difference. I can already say I will refuse to play anything other than purple clubs - as that is the realistic clubs from a Tour Pro perspective when it comes to carry distance. I play distance irons, just don't play the wedges because they are useless for the short game. 11 yard bunker shots are a mess with a 25 yard lob wedge. Never had a problem with it until the windows changed and you suddenly got massive penalty on a red miss. I rarely got a red miss on the old windows on splash with partial shots. My problem with the silver wedges, are that they have totaly unrealistic carry distance on full shots. And as I said on the HB forum - partial splash shots are the norm for me, yes even 1/3 and less. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jun 7, 2021 21:57:07 GMT
I play distance irons, just don't play the wedges because they are useless for the short game. 11 yard bunker shots are a mess with a 25 yard lob wedge. Never had a problem with it until the windows changed and you suddenly got massive penalty on a red miss. I rarely got a red miss on the old windows on splash with partial shots. My problem with the silver wedges, are that they have totaly unrealistic carry distance on full shots. And as I said on the HB forum - partial splash shots are the norm for me, yes even 1/3 and less. Not really, 80 yard lob wedge is fairly standard and 100 sand wedge is what an average tour player would hit, they can obviously hit them further but nobody hits wedges flat out because of spin control |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 0:07:19 GMT
I played 3 rounds with the follow conditions at Austin CC (L). Notice FIR, GIR and PPH
First round used my current TM Clubs. Purple D, Gold Woods, Hybrid, Irons and PW. Silver GW, SW, LW. Master Difficulty. I shot (+1)
Second round All Purple TM Clubs. I had to use Callaway SW and LW because there is no SW, LW purple TM. Pro Difficulty. I hit mostly perfect shots except for a few. Putting was easier due to wider putting meter. I shot (-4)
Third round All Silver Clubs on Legend Difficulty. Putting was very difficult due to narrow putting meter. I shot (+5).
As far as fun factor I enjoyed Purple Clubs on Pro Difficulty. Just my Opinion. It also might group all the players closer together and be more competitive as a whole.
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Post by andersnm on Jun 8, 2021 4:53:20 GMT
Never had a problem with it until the windows changed and you suddenly got massive penalty on a red miss. I rarely got a red miss on the old windows on splash with partial shots. My problem with the silver wedges, are that they have totaly unrealistic carry distance on full shots. And as I said on the HB forum - partial splash shots are the norm for me, yes even 1/3 and less. Not really, 80 yard lob wedge is fairly standard and 100 sand wedge is what an average tour player would hit, they can obviously hit them further but nobody hits wedges flat out because of spin control That is not full shots paddy. As Koepka said, he never hits a full lob wedge due to too much spin, so he rather hit a 3/4 sand wedge instead. There is a picture of Koepka's carry distances, and a full lob wedge is 105 yards carry, 3/4 90 yards. There are ofcourse differences in the Tour Pro's, but I do not think 80 yards is nowhere near average on full shots lob wedge. Even I have 105 average carry with my 58 degree and 70 yards on a 1/2 swing. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jun 8, 2021 6:33:05 GMT
Not really, 80 yard lob wedge is fairly standard and 100 sand wedge is what an average tour player would hit, they can obviously hit them further but nobody hits wedges flat out because of spin control That is not full shots paddy. As Koepka said, he never hits a full lob wedge due to too much spin, so he rather hit a 3/4 sand wedge instead. There is a picture of Koepka's carry distances, and a full lob wedge is 105 yards carry, 3/4 90 yards. There are ofcourse differences in the Tour Pro's, but I do not think 80 yards is nowhere near average on full shots lob wedge. Even I have 105 average carry with my 58 degree and 70 yards on a 1/2 swing. Absolutely true Anders but you are also quoting yardages of a top 2% in distance on the pro tours. As someone who played on the third tier Euro Pro tour and multiple other satellite tours in real life, there’s many pros who do not hit it anywhere near that distance. Myself I have a 177mph ball speed with the driver which equates to around 275-280 carry (albeit in cooler English weather, this would be 290 in warm weather) and I was just longer than average amongst my peers. Richard Bland the other week carries it 265 with the driver, hits a 5 wood 215 yards and won at the Belfry. Richards strength is his accuracy whilst Bryson is more wayward but super long. I see where your point is coming from but the different graded club sets allow the player in this game to decide whether they put a precedence on distance or accuracy and I wholeheartedly feel that should still be a choice we should have. I think trying to make every player have exactly the same distances with the clubs is actually making our tour less realistic as there is no variety. I’m happy to trial pro setting but I still don’t think it’s a good idea to make everyone play purple. Just my opinion of course |
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 8, 2021 6:48:48 GMT
Tbh I have only tried a few clubs in the game. The TM wedges which are 83 LW and 96 SW I have had from the start. I did change to the purple TM 4 to 9 irons recently as I actually found I hit them just as well as the silver TM. I have also always hit the Callaway 3 wood 248 yard from the start as I hit it well and a 230 yard 5 wood. I have tried a few drivers recently because my tempo was a bit off with them.
I haven't tried Pro much at all in this game but if it is really easy to hit the fairway off the tee I would grow bored of that level pretty quickly. I found TGC 2019's driving way too easy and a bit automatic.
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Post by colly on Jun 8, 2021 8:50:48 GMT
This is my current bag set up(7 iron carry is actually 170).I regard the wedge distances as a top players 3/4 swing distance to achieve accuracy.Tour players are very proficient with their wedges & consistently knock them in close.I feel like the purple wedges do not allow for this & also make chipping & pitching too unrealistic.I feel like I manage to create a very realistic set up & score realistically.In previous games the long game has always been too easy.For myself I now find the long game to be a good challenge but feel like I have a chance from 130 yards & in which to me is extremely realistic.I would have no interest in playing pro mode as this would lessen the challenge of the long game & return us to tgc19.This is all just my opinion of course,cheers 👍😃.
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Post by colly on Jun 8, 2021 8:52:05 GMT
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Post by colly on Jun 8, 2021 9:08:56 GMT
I would play purple wedges if required.
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 8, 2021 9:15:25 GMT
This is my current bag set up(7 iron carry is actually 170).I regard the wedge distances as a top players 3/4 swing distance to achieve accuracy.Tour players are very proficient with their wedges & consistently knock them in close.I feel like the purple wedges do not allow for this & also make chipping & pitching too unrealistic.I feel like I manage to create a very realistic set up & score realistically.In previous games the long game has always been too easy.For myself I now find the long game to be a good challenge but feel like I have a chance from 130 yards & in which to me is extremely realistic.I would have no interest in playing pro mode as this would lessen the challenge of the long game & return us to tgc19.This is all just my opinion of course,cheers 👍😃. I have very similar distances with my clubs to you Mark. I did drop down to the TM 267 driver but it is just too easy to hit. I think I will trial a few purple drivers till I find one I like the feel of. What worries me about pro and purple clubs is Wade saying he hit mostly perfects. That sounds like laser straight golf to me. Does it then turn it into a putting competition. Also the putting is easier on pro, I don't like that at all. The putting is spot on right now. |
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Post by colly on Jun 8, 2021 9:43:48 GMT
The silver wedges are by no means foolproof by the way.In this week’s Phoenix Open I opened up with a double bogey at the straight forward first hole due to a bad swing with GW(must have been a red slow,no shot feedback) which finished 20 yards short right.Pitched up to 15 feet & 3 putted 😏
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Post by andersnm on Jun 8, 2021 13:55:26 GMT
That is not full shots paddy. As Koepka said, he never hits a full lob wedge due to too much spin, so he rather hit a 3/4 sand wedge instead. There is a picture of Koepka's carry distances, and a full lob wedge is 105 yards carry, 3/4 90 yards. There are ofcourse differences in the Tour Pro's, but I do not think 80 yards is nowhere near average on full shots lob wedge. Even I have 105 average carry with my 58 degree and 70 yards on a 1/2 swing. Absolutely true Anders but you are also quoting yardages of a top 2% in distance on the pro tours. As someone who played on the third tier Euro Pro tour and multiple other satellite tours in real life, there’s many pros who do not hit it anywhere near that distance. Myself I have a 177mph ball speed with the driver which equates to around 275-280 carry (albeit in cooler English weather, this would be 290 in warm weather) and I was just longer than average amongst my peers. Richard Bland the other week carries it 265 with the driver, hits a 5 wood 215 yards and won at the Belfry. Richards strength is his accuracy whilst Bryson is more wayward but super long. I see where your point is coming from but the different graded club sets allow the player in this game to decide whether they put a precedence on distance or accuracy and I wholeheartedly feel that should still be a choice we should have. I think trying to make every player have exactly the same distances with the clubs is actually making our tour less realistic as there is no variety. I’m happy to trial pro setting but I still don’t think it’s a good idea to make everyone play purple. Just my opinion of course I have no exact on the numbers on these shots on the PGA tour, but from what I see - distance with wedges and irons have become longer average on the Tour the last 10 years, even though driving distance has not improved that much. The tour only submits total driving distance average. I cannot claim to have played on any high level golf myself, but I have played with amateurs and professionals who hit insane long - even longer than Bryson. I had the pleasure and opportunity to play with a swede that where on the European Challenge Tour some years ago - and he had average carry with the driver well above 310 yards. 177 mph ball speed is very good paddy - more than enough for most courses and right on top of pro players I would say. I have ball speed at 150-160 mph, carry of 265 roughly. But I am much better with wedges and irons; I too have a carry with my 9 iron at ca 150 yards (Titleist MB 43 degree). I am not sure if you share my opinion that the club attributes are completely unrealistic. In my experience over the years, both playing and watching golf, increased distance is not the same as less accuracy. In fact, most amateurs that struggles with distance would increase in accuracy if they let loose and got more distance and power and better ball striking in general. I totaly agree that overswinging may result in some bad shots - which unfortunately is not good enough in the game (we ought to get more than 105% overswing). I could use the swede as an example again - incredible accurate and long with the driver. Much more accurate than me that hit way shorter. My stance on the subject of variety on our virtual golfers is quite simple: a skill system in the game, and not unrealistic attributes on clubs. I do not like the unrealistic attributes, and I will refuse to take part on it - and so disagree that the club attributes is a good way for us to get variety and my opinion is that we should not do so. And for me, when we can do 3/4 swing, 1/2 swing with the golfer in the game, I don't need to pretend that a full shot is a 3/4 shot. The game do not have the same problem with massive spin on the full lob wedge however, so that is rarely an issue. |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 8, 2021 14:01:53 GMT
Tbh I have only tried a few clubs in the game. The TM wedges which are 83 LW and 96 SW I have had from the start. I did change to the purple TM 4 to 9 irons recently as I actually found I hit them just as well as the silver TM. I have also always hit the Callaway 3 wood 248 yard from the start as I hit it well and a 230 yard 5 wood. I have tried a few drivers recently because my tempo was a bit off with them. I haven't tried Pro much at all in this game but if it is really easy to hit the fairway off the tee I would grow bored of that level pretty quickly. I found TGC 2019's driving way too easy and a bit automatic. I think it fair to say that Pro difficulty with purple clubs are the same as Master difficulty in TGC 2019 on the long game. |
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