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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 19:07:56 GMT
As many of you probably know (and possible agree) - I find the club attributes to be completely unrealistic and bad in the game. I have refused to play what I call unrealistic clubs - and set the bag up with unrealistic gapping. So for me, realistic clubs has always been the purple - and all others are unrealistic.
Yes, we have to cope with what we have, and I have never considered what others do in this regard as wrong. But, after some discussion on HB forum, I have realised that we may not play on the same footing so to speak - so I needed to consider if I thought a rule on clubs was needed for our society. And I lean towards only purple clubs except putter that has no impact other than looks.
What are your thoughts on this?
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jun 7, 2021 19:18:38 GMT
As many of you probably know (and possible agree) - I find the club attributes to be completely unrealistic and bad in the game. I have refused to play what I call unrealistic clubs - and set the bag up with unrealistic gapping. So for me, realistic clubs has always been the purple - and all others are unrealistic. Yes, we have to cope with what we have, and I have never considered what others do in this regard as wrong. But, after some discussion on HB forum, I have realised that we may not play on the same footing so to speak - so I needed to consider if I thought a rule on clubs was needed for our society. And I lean towards only purple clubs except putter that has no impact other than looks. What are your thoughts on this? I don’t think there’s any issues playing whatever clubs you like, irl I hit my 9 iron 150 and in the game I use one that goes 135 which is obviously less. I couldn’t play this game at all with purple clubs and Xbox elite 2 controller as I can’t swing it straight enough and the random tempos would mean I shoot 80 every single time. I think it’s hard enough as it is without further adding restrictions in my opinion |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 20:39:03 GMT
I agree the most realistic clubs are the purple in regards to distance and gaps. However they would be near impossible to play on Master difficulty. I would propose a 2 round tournament on Paddy's or Marks society. Everyone uses Purple clubs on Pro difficulty and then take a vote. Driving would be a tad easier but bunker shots would be much more difficult to judge distance with the longer wedges. I tested this a few weeks ago myself. I used All Purple clubs (LW-D) on Pro difficulty and I was only a few shots better than on Master difficulty. I used the same course and conditions to test. It was much more fun to play and it still wasn't that easy. I would be willing to give it a go but I'm not sure how others feel. With the new HB tweaks I feel the game is inconsistent on Master now. However playing wired on my PS5 has improved for me. I don't think 2 rounds would take up too much time and it would at least give us an idea. Impossible? You know I use only purple clubs Wade and have done so since the game was released (I think I played some other in the beginning until I got enough virtual coins to get the correct clubs both in looks and carry distance)? And I will continue to refuse to play any other club as long as the attributes continue to be unrealistic. I have always considered those clubs as unrealistic for me as we are simulating professional PGA Tour golf. (So I never have realised how much wider the different zones are on the different clubs). I have played some rounds on Pro difficulty - and it is much easier. Personally, I would not mind if we moved down to Pro swing difficulty with only purple as we now are quite few that do play here - but I don't think it would be wise. My scores on Pro difficulty after the changes are well sub par, ca -2 to -8 depending on putting. And you can see my scores in our society on Master, which is +4 in average I guess. What you get with Pro difficulty, is very easy driving and long game. I would guess most of us get unrealistic good fairway% and perhaps also GIR% - and I think we would also get unrealistic low scores as at least I get much closer proximity to the hole. I guess I have to go into the game and actually see how the timing zones are on different clubs on Master swing difficulty on different shots before I make up my mind on this matter. But I can already say I don't think Pro difficulty is the way to go. |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 20:57:56 GMT
I did try it in game now on the practice range and pitching/splash. The difference in perfect and grey windows are quite big. Which again makes me think we don't play on even footing so to speak.
I do lean towards that we need a rule on this - and that the realistic approach would be purple.
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 7, 2021 21:05:13 GMT
I did try it in game now on the practice range and pitching/splash. The difference in perfect and grey windows are quite big. Which again makes me think we don't play on even footing so to speak. I do lean towards that we need a rule on this - and that the realistic approach would be purple. I play the forgiving wedges because the distances wedges are unrealistic for the near miss penalties. I can hit my PW better irl than the distance wedges. Also they just make the short game silly, with half swing bunker shots. The clubs are screwed in the game, I am up for not having mix and match. But forcing people to play unforgiving wedges for the short game where we all will be pitching out of bunkers is not a good move. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 21:08:47 GMT
I deleted my previous post because I realized this is a no win situation. If it's not discrepancy in clubs then there is discrepancy between platforms. No matter what we do some will not be happy. I don't enjoy seeing a huge discrepancy in scores as well. I also don't like the fact that HB decides to make changes to the game and doesn't tell anyone. You just start up the game and poof nothing works the same. Truly disheartening all around.
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 7, 2021 21:11:38 GMT
I deleted my previous post because I realized this is a no win situation. If it's not discrepancy in clubs then there is discrepancy between platforms. No matter what we do some will not be happy. I don't enjoy seeing a huge discrepancy in scores as well. I also don't like the fact that HB decides to make changes to the game and doesn't tell anyone. You just start up the game and poof nothing works the same. Truly disheartening all around. It is frustrating that we can't all be on an even footing. I am also gutted that we have lost all our Xbox players. |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:13:13 GMT
I did try it in game now on the practice range and pitching/splash. The difference in perfect and grey windows are quite big. Which again makes me think we don't play on even footing so to speak. I do lean towards that we need a rule on this - and that the realistic approach would be purple. I play the forgiving wedges because the distances wedges are unrealistic for the near miss penalties. I can hit my PW better irl than the distance wedges. Also they just make the short game silly, with half swing bunker shots. The clubs are screwed in the game, I am up for not having mix and match. But forcing people to play unforgiving wedges for the short game where we all will be pitching out of bunkers is not a good move. We could have a rule of only splash from bunkers - which would make a bunker the thing to avoid at all cost.  I have many times said that there is a problem that the difference in irons and wedges are not good. The problem is that the 4 iron has the same windows as the 9 iron (and all between) in the same set. All wedges in the same sets has the same windows. However - wedges do have wider windows compared to irons etc - so it is not totaly bad. I thought already in TGC 2019 that there was a problem in how wide you could miss a wedge left and right. But it is what it is. The only problem I have with the short game, are the splash from bunkers. I think they did make the splash harder because it is harder from turf - but then they don't have the option to make it easier from sand as it is in real golf. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jun 7, 2021 21:13:55 GMT
I just don’t think we need more enforced rules, I’m with Paul, the short game is screwed up with the purple wedges and is unrealistically unforgiving. I duff bunker shots with the grey wedges and I only hit 40% of greens with grey irons. It’s already hard enough.
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:15:42 GMT
I deleted my previous post because I realized this is a no win situation. If it's not discrepancy in clubs then there is discrepancy between platforms. No matter what we do some will not be happy. I don't enjoy seeing a huge discrepancy in scores as well. I also don't like the fact that HB decides to make changes to the game and doesn't tell anyone. You just start up the game and poof nothing works the same. Truly disheartening all around. I thought nothing wrong with your post Wade. And I agree that it is sad that we don't have Xbox players anymore. |
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Post by hammers1man on Jun 7, 2021 21:16:56 GMT
We could have a rule where we all have to play forgiving wedges,irons and woods. Yes shorter distances but few would argue it is too easy with those clubs.
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:18:07 GMT
I just don’t think we need more enforced rules, I’m with Paul, the short game is screwed up with the purple wedges and is unrealistically unforgiving. I duff bunker shots with the grey wedges and I only hit 40% of greens with grey irons. It’s already hard enough. This is actually argument for Pro difficulty with purple clubs  Because - as I tested this in the game now, you are very close in the zone-size on those settings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 21:19:35 GMT
We could have a rule where we all have to play forgiving wedges,irons and woods. Yes shorter distances but few would argue it is too easy with those clubs. I tested this using legend difficulty and it was the most punishing of all the combinations. I'm game for whatever you guys decide. I do think we need to do something. I just don't know what. |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Jun 7, 2021 21:21:45 GMT
I just don’t think we need more enforced rules, I’m with Paul, the short game is screwed up with the purple wedges and is unrealistically unforgiving. I duff bunker shots with the grey wedges and I only hit 40% of greens with grey irons. It’s already hard enough. This is actually argument for Pro difficulty with purple clubs Because - as I tested this in the game now, you are very close in the zone-size on those settings. I can see the argument for this but I’d be shooting low 60’s on pro and then its not a challenge anymore but I can also understand it’s a grind for others on masters difficulty. I still vote club choices as open. If you got everyone to post their set here you’d see everyone’s would be different. Half the fun is messing around and finding your perfect setup |
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Post by andersnm on Jun 7, 2021 21:22:54 GMT
We could have a rule where we all have to play forgiving wedges,irons and woods. Yes shorter distances but few would argue it is too easy with those clubs. I tested this using legend difficulty and it was the most punishing of all the combinations. I'm game for whatever you guys decide. I do think we need to do something. I just don't know what. Go in the game and have a go at Pro difficulty with purple clubs Wade - and take a look at the different windows for perfect and grey. Then have the silver clubs on Master and notice the difference. I can already say I will refuse to play anything other than purple clubs - as that is the realistic clubs from a Tour Pro perspective when it comes to carry distance. |
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