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Post by andersnm on May 25, 2020 21:11:23 GMT
Guess who is matched up with him in round 1 and 3?  I just had a little practice on the very slow and soft conditions - and it is not easy with the very high winds. I understand some of the critics that has come on very high winds on TGC tours - I do have a feeling of more random effect on that condition compared to high. Not that I complain - usualy  Very high winds in the game are not as hard as 49 mph I played last year. Brutal conditions 😣 Hope we can play a knock down shot in the new game. The critics are not the strength of the wind, but that it feels random in the effect - how much the wind takes so to speak. Players on TGC tours say that with the same amount filled in the wind-bar, you get different results. I don't know, but I do have that same feeling - but it could be just a wrong feeling. |
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Post by hammers1man on May 25, 2020 21:15:46 GMT
Very high winds in the game are not as hard as 49 mph I played last year. Brutal conditions 😣 Hope we can play a knock down shot in the new game. The critics are not the strength of the wind, but that it feels random in the effect - how much the wind takes so to speak. Players on TGC tours say that with the same amount filled in the wind-bar, you get different results. I don't know, but I do have that same feeling - but it could be just a wrong feeling. I experienced that recently, but don't recall it happening before that. Could it be a new bug in the game? |
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Post by polekatt/josia on May 26, 2020 4:41:20 GMT
but wouldn't that be more realistic?
Real wind gusts, and does not remain a constant exact speed all the time.
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Post by LKeet6 on May 26, 2020 9:30:41 GMT
Had a really good round going, and then it just fell apart. I think VF greens were ok for the actual speed, but not some of the pins down the back 9. Mixture of bad luck and literally 2 bad shots, I think, screwed up my round. Was -2 for most of it, then dropped a shot, then got to the par 5 hoping to get it back, tee shot missed the fairway by a little bit and careened down the hill into the water. Couldn't see if I had a shot from my drop position, so decided to go back to the tee. Played a nice flop on the last hole, missed by 1-2ft and rolled all the way down the green. The missed a 3ft putt for my bogie, so a double. So frustrating 😡  |
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Post by LKeet6 on May 26, 2020 9:31:06 GMT
Really nice course btw 👍
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Post by gavlaar124 on May 26, 2020 10:40:47 GMT
Off and away ... Putted very well
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Post by gavlaar124 on May 26, 2020 11:12:54 GMT
If 101 greens make an appearance here again my participation will be over ... Not a threat just a statement.... Horrible set up for round 2 meant a colourful scorecard
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Post by hammers1man on May 26, 2020 15:42:38 GMT
If 101 greens make an appearance here again my participation will be over ... Not a threat just a statement.... Horrible set up for round 2 meant a colourful scorecard I don't think I've ever played 101 greens, really not looking forward to round 2 now 😣 Think we should keep a limit to the slowest greens we use to 155 and above. |
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Post by andersnm on May 26, 2020 15:56:12 GMT
If 101 greens make an appearance here again my participation will be over ... Not a threat just a statement.... Horrible set up for round 2 meant a colourful scorecard I don't think I've ever played 101 greens, really not looking forward to round 2 now 😣 Think we should keep a limit to the slowest greens we use to 155 and above. There are courses that have slopes you can't play on fast greens. That would mean we would dismiss courses because we only play on fast greens. That is not a good thing. Good players are good on all conditons - slow and fast greens. Some here are better on fast greens, some are better at slow. Just because you struggle on slow greens Paul, is no reason to avoid it. That being said, I agree we should not overdo extreme conditions - and that also means we should not overdo the very fast, very firm etc. My stance, is that the norm should be on the medium side - slow-fast, soft-firm, low-high winds. I have no problem with the occasional round with the "very" setting - but it should be rare imho. (Just to put the numbers: very slow = 101, slow = 122? medium = 144, fast = 163, very fast = 187 - else is default speed set by the designer). |
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Post by LKeet6 on May 26, 2020 16:35:56 GMT
I agree with Anders on this.
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Post by hammers1man on May 26, 2020 16:40:33 GMT
I don't think I've ever played 101 greens, really not looking forward to round 2 now 😣 Think we should keep a limit to the slowest greens we use to 155 and above. There are courses that have slopes you can't play on fast greens. That would mean we would dismiss courses because we only play on fast greens. That is not a good thing. Good players are good on all conditons - slow and fast greens. Some here are better on fast greens, some are better at slow. Just because you struggle on slow greens Paul, is no reason to avoid it. That being said, I agree we should not overdo extreme conditions - and that also means we should not overdo the very fast, very firm etc. My stance, is that the norm should be on the medium side - slow-fast, soft-firm, low-high winds. I have no problem with the occasional round with the "very" setting - but it should be rare imho. (Just to put the numbers: very slow = 101, slow = 122? medium = 144, fast = 163, very fast = 187 - else is default speed set by the designer). It not so much about struggling on slow greens it's how realistic they are, no course would go from 187 to 101 in a real life round no matter how much rain we had also a course doesn't firm and dry up from a 101 to a 187. Not played 101 before but 122 is way too slow for top courses imo, 144 does make sloping greens more playable I don't think we have to go slower. I do think we shouldn't be jumping from very fast to very slow in a tournament or vice versa because it is unrealistic. Just my view on green speeds, TGC2's 187 were much faster than what we have now, HB toned it down a bit for this game. |
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Post by gavlaar124 on May 26, 2020 16:41:38 GMT
To go from very firm/fast in round 1 to very soft/slow in round 2 is not only unrealistic but negates your point above .... There was no need to slow the greens down to that extent imo
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Post by andersnm on May 26, 2020 16:50:46 GMT
There are courses that have slopes you can't play on fast greens. That would mean we would dismiss courses because we only play on fast greens. That is not a good thing. Good players are good on all conditons - slow and fast greens. Some here are better on fast greens, some are better at slow. Just because you struggle on slow greens Paul, is no reason to avoid it. That being said, I agree we should not overdo extreme conditions - and that also means we should not overdo the very fast, very firm etc. My stance, is that the norm should be on the medium side - slow-fast, soft-firm, low-high winds. I have no problem with the occasional round with the "very" setting - but it should be rare imho. (Just to put the numbers: very slow = 101, slow = 122? medium = 144, fast = 163, very fast = 187 - else is default speed set by the designer). It not so much about struggling on slow greens it's how realistic they are, no course would go from 187 to 101 in a real life round no matter how much rain we had also a course doesn't firm and dry up from a 101 to a 187. Not played 101 before but 122 is way too slow for top courses imo, 144 does make sloping greens more playable I don't think we have to go slower. I do think we shouldn't be jumping from very fast to very slow in a tournament or vice versa because it is unrealistic. Just my view on green speeds, TGC2's 187 were much faster than what we have now, HB toned it down a bit for this game. I agree completely that this weeks setup is unrealistic. I did not say anything in the admin section - but I did have a reaction when the conditions came - that this was over the top. But, I stand by that I think that the norm should be on the more moderate side of things. Usualy, default speed is good for the course - and I for one like to stick to the default speed - but we had the example of Hague that where too fast. So when in doubt, medium or fast is a good speed overall for the vast majority of courses. |
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Post by andersnm on May 26, 2020 16:54:33 GMT
Round 2 in the unusual conditions - well, I have played way too little (none at all in fact before this) on 101 greens, so needless to say - a lot of wasted putts from 8-12 feet. Played solid and good golf.  |
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Post by polekatt/josia on May 26, 2020 17:23:04 GMT
I will chime in with a point from the other side. I like the slow greens and hate the fast ones.
Now I do understand the point of going from one extreme to the other between two adjacent rounds, and it not being realistic. That makes perfect sense. But why not do a whole 4 rounds with slow greens? Wouldn't that be realistic if something happened at the course to slow them down a lot that week, that it would be slow the whole time, varying only by one stage each round?
Just because some prefer fast greens don't mean (to me) that we shouldn't do any slow ones. I hate fast greens, yet I try to go out and play them when they pop up here.
Paul made the comment earlier in the thread that Josia is on fire, something has him doing well. Its the fact that I simply play better with slow greens and higher winds, always have. I'm not sure, but I think it has to do with a lot of people have this game down to a science, they know what to do to get the ball close, and when random things that aren't expected happen, it throws their science off a bit. Since I just walk up and hit, and go more by feeling, the random things don't affect me as much, because I'm not calculating anything, I'm just still going by whatever feeling I have, and the higher the winds, the more interesting it simply is. As for the greens, I just don't have a good feel for the fast ones, I prefer slower.
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