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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 0:34:15 GMT
It is actually harder to set up for a draw with true shot and pull it off than aiming right and hitting a fast to hit a good drive. So using the shot shaper to play a draw and fade is not taking the challenge away from playing here on USE, I think you should give it a try artvandelay . The shot shaper in the game is massively improved. Here is how I go about in playing draws and fades with Shot Shaper. First two are both tee shots with SS at Royal Melbourne and Harding Park. I can tell that I didn't hit the first one perfect, seemed like a grey fast but ended up on line and in the fairway. Second tee shot I pured and can tell by the sound from the contact of the driver. Probably didn't need to play or use SS on that tee shot. Normally I will just play for wind and swing away. Personally I'm hooked on trying to find perfect tempo every round. Tough to achieve and even more difficult to maintain for all 18. Shot shaper I'll save for recovery shots and for such tee shots like a few at Royal Melbourne that require draws/fades as there are quite a few on that course when the need to be aggressive and cut the corners. These next shots are on the 17th at Harding Park with shot shaper (used the designer for testing). Not sure if the right shot shape in real life would be a draw especially for this pin location. But for players that can only turn it right to left that was probably an overly aggressive line. Plus I don't think I struck it well enough. The other shots were when I slightly hit a grey fast that ended up middle of the green. Over did the fade with a grey slow into the bunker. Then finally struck it well and ended up right at the pin. Probably took about 10 shots to get the ones that I wanted. Ended up in the bunker twice, three were right at the pin and the rest were middle of the green. If I were playing this shot straight up. I'd probably try and hit a partial 6 iron and let it run up on these fast/firm greens. Again just my opinion. Yes both ways of playing this game are challenging. I find that there are more variables/outcomes when using Shot Shaper as you do need to hit them perfect. Hit a red fast or slow while using shot shaper and you'll either double cross yourself or end up far right/left of your intended target. Sooo worth it when you get them right though. For me tempo varies day to day. Sometimes you "feel" that you've found that swing and others are absolutely frustrating. A few hot streaks here and there but again by my driving stats not nearly as consistent off the tee as I'd like to be. |
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Post by nonusehki on Feb 3, 2021 17:06:32 GMT
I actually think both are fine, doing it with tempo is more of a "feel method" (manipulating with hands) whilst the shot shaper is more of a scientific approach by altering setup but keeping tempo. I'm just fighting the corner of the tempo players! I get great satisfaction by just tweaking my shots 5 yards based on tempo, it also devastates when I aim for a slow leak and hit a fast double cross! for me it's something I love when I get it right which isn;t that often! I think the fun thing is that everyone has their own approaches and we should continue to encourage that - I don't think there is any advantage in using the shot shaper and I don't think there is any advantage to playing for fasts or slows, both have their positives and negatives - the end result is that we are shooting realistic scores which is great! I think this is a great summary. I come from hockey background and I consider myself as a 100% "feel" player in golf, having goofed around with sticks and whatnot all my life. I think manipulating the trajectory with my hands and body gives me the most control when hitting the ball, and I think the same thing in-game with manipulating the tempo, it just feels more natural to me (just sliiightly holding off for that fade, and turning my hands over just a little bit quicker for that draw). |
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Post by hammers1man on Feb 3, 2021 19:53:49 GMT
I actually think both are fine, doing it with tempo is more of a "feel method" (manipulating with hands) whilst the shot shaper is more of a scientific approach by altering setup but keeping tempo. I'm just fighting the corner of the tempo players! I get great satisfaction by just tweaking my shots 5 yards based on tempo, it also devastates when I aim for a slow leak and hit a fast double cross! for me it's something I love when I get it right which isn;t that often! I think the fun thing is that everyone has their own approaches and we should continue to encourage that - I don't think there is any advantage in using the shot shaper and I don't think there is any advantage to playing for fasts or slows, both have their positives and negatives - the end result is that we are shooting realistic scores which is great! I think this is a great summary. I come from hockey background and I consider myself as a 100% "feel" player in golf, having goofed around with sticks and whatnot all my life. I think manipulating the trajectory with my hands and body gives me the most control when hitting the ball, and I think the same thing in-game with manipulating the tempo, it just feels more natural to me (just sliiightly holding off for that fade, and turning my hands over just a little bit quicker for that draw). I am the opposite irl lol, I have an natural draw that starts right of my target and curves back on line. I am fighting releasing my hands too early and turning that draw into a 30 yard hook. I have never sliced a golf ball but the push can be a problem. Tbh I am not a fan of the games mechanic when outside the grey tempo box, it is way too easy pull off a hook shot that is consistent that finds fairways, is that realistic ? I don't think so. We also take the 2 way miss out of the picture which again only makes it easier. Aiming right on a dogleg right or into the water is just crazy in real life. The less you tilt the axis of the ball the less carry distance you lose as Anders mentioned but the shot gives the buff of extra carry distance. Going back to artvandelay mentioning why are we using the shot shaper and we should just purposefully hit outside the tempo box to achieve draw and spin. Well isn't golf also about setting up for a shot with the way you line up your stance clubface angle etc. I would also point out it is much harder to set up for a draw or fade and hit a good tempo than manipulating the tempo. The shot shaper is the reverse of what we had before, it takes a bit of imagination and skill to pull off a good shot. I am happy to have everyone play the game how they want inside USE rules, I am really enjoying learning to play fade and draws and there is a bit of finesse to getting the desired amount. |
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Post by andersnm on Feb 3, 2021 20:20:10 GMT
Important to say that I think everybody agree that you don’t do anything wrong in hitting a fast or slow on purpose, or if you use the True Shot.
I argued with HB Craig that a red fast hook should loose distance, and I still have the opinion that the game would be better and more realistic if you lost more distance the more you hooked or sliced the ball with tempo. But we have the game as it is, so we can’t do anything about this, the same as we can’t have realistic lateral drops etc.
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